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> Google was certainly completely caught of guard. They weren't. Their AI research team is completely dysfunctional and unfocused. They're only interested in

> Google was certainly completely caught of guard. They weren't. Their AI research team is completely dysfunctional and unfocused. They're only interested in doing research and are entirely incapable of the engineering and product focus necessary to build something like ChatGPT. That isn't the same thing as being caught off guard.

itchy_spider44 3y ago
The execs were. They've been paying millions for a top-tier AI devteam hoping for something like ChatGPT, just to find out that their devteam made and freely released the transformers research that ChatGPT is based on (derp) As always, Google has incredible ideas and promise but lacks business execution
siva7 3y ago
So they were caught of guard, maybe not from a research pov but certainly from a product pov. They are behind and are just playing catch-up for over a year now that it's safe to say that they don't have any competitive advantage over microsoft/openai anymore
- dietr1ch 3y ago
  It's not caught off guard. Google simply can't do products because of how career growth works. You don't get promoted for polishing things other than ad revenue. It's all about launching things built in a hasty way.
hn8305823 3y ago
This article was posted just a few weeks before ChatGPT was released: https://www.inc.com/nick-hobson/googles-rest-vest-days-for-sr-employees-are-over-says-ceo-its-a-brilliant-idea.html https://www.inc.com/nick-hobson/googles-rest-vest-days-for-s... Too little too late?
- ur-whale 3y ago
  > Too little too late? Announcing things and actually executing on said announcements are two very different things. Sundar has never been able to tell the difference between the two.
huytersd 3y ago
Well atleast others are using all the research coming out of Google for all of this. DALLE and chatGPT are both the result of research papers directly from Google research.
danans 3y ago
> They weren't. Correct, but not for the reason you gave. > Their AI research team is completely dysfunctional and unfocused. The bigger problem was that they saw the major problems with trustworthiness of LLMs and felt there was still too much brand risk to Google. OpenAI had no such problem.

itchy_spider44 3y ago

The execs were. They've been paying millions for a top-tier AI devteam hoping for something like ChatGPT, just to find out that their devteam made and freely released the transformers research that ChatGPT is based on (derp) As always, Google has incredible ideas and promise but lacks business execution

siva7 3y ago

So they were caught of guard, maybe not from a research pov but certainly from a product pov. They are behind and are just playing catch-up for over a year now that it's safe to say that they don't have any competitive advantage over microsoft/openai anymore

dietr1ch 3y ago
It's not caught off guard. Google simply can't do products because of how career growth works. You don't get promoted for polishing things other than ad revenue. It's all about launching things built in a hasty way.

hn8305823 3y ago

This article was posted just a few weeks before ChatGPT was released: https://www.inc.com/nick-hobson/googles-rest-vest-days-for-sr-employees-are-over-says-ceo-its-a-brilliant-idea.html https://www.inc.com/nick-hobson/googles-rest-vest-days-for-s... Too little too late?

ur-whale 3y ago
> Too little too late? Announcing things and actually executing on said announcements are two very different things. Sundar has never been able to tell the difference between the two.

huytersd 3y ago

Well atleast others are using all the research coming out of Google for all of this. DALLE and chatGPT are both the result of research papers directly from Google research.

danans 3y ago

> They weren't. Correct, but not for the reason you gave. > Their AI research team is completely dysfunctional and unfocused. The bigger problem was that they saw the major problems with trustworthiness of LLMs and felt there was still too much brand risk to Google. OpenAI had no such problem.