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Illegal or just fireable? It’s freedom of expression and gather. Also, can’t fire everyone if they all work together. The air traffic controllers where left
by beached_whale 3y ago
Illegal or just fireable? It’s freedom of expression and gather. Also, can’t fire everyone if they all work together. The air traffic controllers where left put to dry by every other union and Regan had the military to fill in.
- djbusby 3y agoSolidarity Action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action In Australia, Latvia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United States, and the United Kingdom, solidarity action is theoretically illegal, and strikes can only be against the contractual employer.
- JohnFen 3y agoHow does that even work? I am, and should be, free to not show up to work for any reason I choose. If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?
- jimnotgym 3y agoYou can choose not to turn up, but in the UK at least, you may not encourage anyone else to do the same.
- JohnFen 3y agoInteresting. That is certainly not true in the US.
- hutzlibu 3y ago"If I'm legally required to work, isn't that forced labor?" Not if you signed a contract declaring that you will show up. So a strike is in one way organised contract breaching - but one that is allowed under certain circumstances under the bigger contract, the state laws (which you accept by being in that state).
- JohnFen 3y ago> Not if you signed a contract declaring that you will show up. Yes, even then. A contract violation is not a violation of law. My question is about it being illegal.
- arcticbull 3y ago> Yes, even then. A contract violation is not a violation of law. My question is about it being illegal. Breach of contract is a violation of civil (but not criminal) law. It's illegal but it's not a crime. The question is more of enforceability and of compensation due, if any.
- FireBeyond 3y agoNo, it's still not illegal. It is not a tort, which is a "civil wrong". Contract law is about breach of duty and remedies. You would not be forced to do the thing, generally, but may be required to compensate for the breach.
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- dragonwriter 3y ago> A contract violation is not a violation of law. False; contract law is, as the name suggests, law, and there are legally established remedies for violations.
- JohnFen 3y agoI think we may be running into the weeds of pedantry here, but here goes... (Speaking about how things are in the US. I don't know how they are elsewhere.) Contract law is about how to interpret and adjudicate contracts when there is a dispute between the parties in the contract. Nothing about that means that violating a contract, in and of itself, is illegal. You aren't going to suffer any criminal penalties for failing to adhere to your contractual obligations. What you may do is suffer whatever penalties that the contract specifies will happen if the contract is violated, and the legal system is also geared to work out and enforce such things. But that's a world apart from the notion that violating a contract is "illegal".
- lokar 3y agoWell, how much have you continued to your senator?
- standardUser 3y agoYou'd be fired. In many countries, you could not be fired legally.
- JohnFen 3y agoYou certainly would, but you wouldn't suffer criminal penalties. I was talking about the idea that it's illegal, not saying that there wouldn't be some sort of consequence.
- ajhurliman 3y agoThat bakery complaining about the gay wedding cake would make the same complaint: “This is forced labor!”
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- jvdvegt 3y agoBut in the Netherlands, an employer is not allowed to hire scabs/strikebreakers.