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Neither Russia nor Ukraine are NATO members, so NATO has nothing to do with it. US politicians and media distort this.
by landemva 3y ago
Neither Russia nor Ukraine are NATO members, so NATO has nothing to do with it. US politicians and media distort this.
- zzzeek 3y agoUkraine would like to join NATO and perhaps this would have been a rubber-stamp with a non-nuclearized Russia
- landemva 3y agoI wonder how USA would react to Mexico joining a China military alliance and hosting Chinese troops and weapons? Or maybe Cuba hosting USSR weapons and troops?
- zzzeek 3y agoIt likely would never happen. It doesn't really change any of this equation though
- landemva 3y agoIt did happen. We could learn a lot to apply to future peace by studying history. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/16/1124680429/cuban-missile-crisis-60th-anniversary https://www.npr.org/2022/10/16/1124680429/cuban-missile-cris... And USSR wanted USA out of neighboring Turkey. "Ultimately, Khrushchev received an assurance that the U.S. would not invade Cuba and, in a deal that remained secret for a quarter century, the U.S. also promised to remove its missiles from Turkey."
- zzzeek 3y agoThe cuba part. The Mexico thing, wow I'm going to have to look that one up, I am ignorant on that. I don't see what it has to do with Ukraine wanting to join NATO , I didnt say I want them to join NATO, just it's a fact they've talked about this.
- landemva 3y agoWell, Mexico was a thought experiment. Cuba hosting nukes for USSR happened as retaliation for USA pressing in to USSR via Turkey, and few are taught that history. It is reasonable for people and countries to want a buffer zone of security. The western neocons have pressed into Russia for three decades, thus creating problems. USA neocons have been making sport of pressing into Taiwan to aggravate China. Taiwan is non-negotiable for China, so the west would be safer by not putting military bases on an enemy's front door. Ukraine borders Russia, so of course Russia wants a buffer from aggressors. People in Donbas were Russian and speak Russian, and Ukraine should honor the Minsk agreement and let them vote on their future.
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- mopsi 3y ago> It is reasonable for people and countries to want a buffer zone of security. Not at the expense of others. I fail to see why I should give up my freedoms, my language, culture and material possessions, and become a slave for Russians like my parents were in the USSR. How do you justify it? Are Russians a master race?
- randomname93857 3y agoSo what? there are many things that you intentionally omit in presenting your point, right? Ukraine gave up it nukes (Budapest accord) in exchange for promise that US, Russia will protect Ukraine in case of war (Albeit that was botched) , among other things.
- landemva 3y agoUkraine agreed in 2014 to Minsk agreement to allow Donbas to vote on self-sovereignty. Angela Merkel recently said that agreement was just scamming Russia to allow time for west to arm Ukraine. Now even Ukraine cancelled their elections, so their comedian actor stays in power wearing green shirt costumes.