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> The right to petition for redress of grievances is not abridged by the creation of methods other than a civil suit to redress a grievance. What a strange com

> The right to petition for redress of grievances is not abridged by the creation of methods other than a civil suit to redress a grievance. What a strange comment. Of course they aren’t. They’re abridged by the de facto obligation to get vaccinated (unless you want to lose your job) and — crucially - the total waiver of liability on the part of pharmaceutical companies. It’s telling how you went from “you don’t have that right” to “okay, you have that right, but some particular thing isn’t violating it”. Im guessing the next stop is “okay, it was violated, but it’s not a big deal”.

shadowgovt 3y ago
I agree with you that redress of grievances is a Constituational right. Thank you for answering my original "Is that [bringing civil suit] a Constitutional right?" question with a framework in which one can see it as one. > They’re abridged by the de facto obligation to get vaccinated (unless you want to lose your job) Ah, here you do run into an issue. There is no Constitutional right to have a job. Kind of an oversight in the construction of the whole thing, really... Quite a bit of the pain in American culture can be traced to "The whole Constitution ultimately does not care if an individual starves to death because they can't participate in capitalism." And there's plenty of precedent regarding one's health status precluding one from being able to have or maintain a job. Typhoid Mary, famously, was legally precluded from kitchen-work because she was a typhus carrier. Her repeated entry into that field in spite of this stricture placed on her for the health of the citizens of New York (and her entry into other service-sector fields, eventually resulting in the deaths of 3-50 New Yorkers) is how she eventually landed in permanent quarantine.

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> The right to petition for redress of grievances is not abridged by the creation of methods other than a civil suit to redress a grievance. What a strange com

by omginternets 3y ago

shadowgovt 3y ago
I agree with you that redress of grievances is a Constituational right. Thank you for answering my original "Is that [bringing civil suit] a Constitutional right?" question with a framework in which one can see it as one. > They’re abridged by the de facto obligation to get vaccinated (unless you want to lose your job) Ah, here you do run into an issue. There is no Constitutional right to have a job. Kind of an oversight in the construction of the whole thing, really... Quite a bit of the pain in American culture can be traced to "The whole Constitution ultimately does not care if an individual starves to death because they can't participate in capitalism." And there's plenty of precedent regarding one's health status precluding one from being able to have or maintain a job. Typhoid Mary, famously, was legally precluded from kitchen-work because she was a typhus carrier. Her repeated entry into that field in spite of this stricture placed on her for the health of the citizens of New York (and her entry into other service-sector fields, eventually resulting in the deaths of 3-50 New Yorkers) is how she eventually landed in permanent quarantine.