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So all the programmers who work there should live on thin air? I agree that ideally the management should not be there for profit, but come on, the salaries are

So all the programmers who work there should live on thin air? I agree that ideally the management should not be there for profit, but come on, the salaries are not even that crazy. I suspect FAANG key employees in that area easily earn multiples of that.

pelasaco 3y ago
> Signal is competing with for profit companies for talented engineers and their > talented leaders. In Bay Area? I'm quite sure you get great people all around the World, or in USA, by much less.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  That line of thought is exactly why FAAMG companies tried to lower salaries for CoL when they opened up to more remote roles. I don't know if thst was fair, but it wasn't something appreciated by many engineers during the pandemic. It's also how and why long ago they tried to outsource a lot of engineering. They still do try. But that's not an easy transition either.
pelasaco 3y ago
> So all the programmers who work there should live on thin air? We are talking about C*, Engineer Manager, getting almost 700k/year. Not developers.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  Yes, so what's the problem?
  - pelasaco 3y ago
    > Yes, so what's the problem? What is the problem of managers of a non-profit company earning around 700k/year and the company is writing blog posts complaining that the the company operation is too expensive? I think if you read it aloud, you will understand it.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      When the numbers total $50m in operations and the CEO is making about as much as a principal Google engineer: no, I don't see the issue. Even if he made $0 the issue remains given that every part of the server operation costs more than him. But sure. What do you think is a fair salary or totalccomp for a founder and CEO of a popular, privacy focused app?
      - pelasaco 3y ago
        > CEO is making about as much as a principal Google engineer From a company living from donations... It is illusion (probably a California thing), to think that you are going to compete salary wise with FAANG. The time will tell (well their complaining about money, is already hinting it)...
        johnnyanmac 3y ago
        But they aren't. A principal engineer is not a CEO but probably makes more at top companies. I don't even work at a FAANG and I was making almost as much as the director there who lists 200k or so total comp. Probably with 20 years less experience to boot. I don't live in SF either; High CoL area but not SF. That's why I asked you what's a "reasonable" salary. I'm wondering what your POV here is in terms of compensation.
        pelasaco 3y ago
        Top European salary would be a third of that.

pelasaco 3y ago

> Signal is competing with for profit companies for talented engineers and their > talented leaders. In Bay Area? I'm quite sure you get great people all around the World, or in USA, by much less.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
That line of thought is exactly why FAAMG companies tried to lower salaries for CoL when they opened up to more remote roles. I don't know if thst was fair, but it wasn't something appreciated by many engineers during the pandemic. It's also how and why long ago they tried to outsource a lot of engineering. They still do try. But that's not an easy transition either.

pelasaco 3y ago

> So all the programmers who work there should live on thin air? We are talking about C*, Engineer Manager, getting almost 700k/year. Not developers.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
Yes, so what's the problem?
- pelasaco 3y ago
  > Yes, so what's the problem? What is the problem of managers of a non-profit company earning around 700k/year and the company is writing blog posts complaining that the the company operation is too expensive? I think if you read it aloud, you will understand it.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    When the numbers total $50m in operations and the CEO is making about as much as a principal Google engineer: no, I don't see the issue. Even if he made $0 the issue remains given that every part of the server operation costs more than him. But sure. What do you think is a fair salary or totalccomp for a founder and CEO of a popular, privacy focused app?
    - pelasaco 3y ago
      > CEO is making about as much as a principal Google engineer From a company living from donations... It is illusion (probably a California thing), to think that you are going to compete salary wise with FAANG. The time will tell (well their complaining about money, is already hinting it)...
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        But they aren't. A principal engineer is not a CEO but probably makes more at top companies. I don't even work at a FAANG and I was making almost as much as the director there who lists 200k or so total comp. Probably with 20 years less experience to boot. I don't live in SF either; High CoL area but not SF. That's why I asked you what's a "reasonable" salary. I'm wondering what your POV here is in terms of compensation.
        pelasaco 3y ago
        Top European salary would be a third of that.