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> they will generate text that is super-persuasive without being intelligent > What we need to regulate is the bullshit. Feeling bit threatened, are we? We ha

> they will generate text that is super-persuasive without being intelligent > What we need to regulate is the bullshit. Feeling bit threatened, are we? We have complete democratisation of "BS" (marketing, propaganda...). Now every scammer with Nigeria can compete with top universities and think tanks, without being "intelligent". Something like that happened when Samuel Colt invented his revolver. Every person could defend themselfs. Overnight it become very unwise to randomly attack people! Total democratisation of violence! "Intelligent" people will have to drop their shilling for latest fad, will have to build some credibility, reputation and personal brand!

ethanbond 3y ago
> Overnight it become very unwise to randomly attack people! What planet do you live on where this happened?
- Throwfi44 3y ago
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  - galdosdi 3y ago
    No, the question is what actual historical event are you referring to? What you are quoting sounds like a legend. When and where did this happen?
    - Throwfi44 3y ago
      Pretty much everywhere, but mostly at Wild West thad had no central government like Europe. Read this essays, it covers my point: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-democratization-of-violence-why-guns-are-a-good-thing/ https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-democratization-of-vio... Similar moment could be invention of printing press, or raise of Internet (vs libraries).
_visgean 3y ago
> "Intelligent" people will have to drop their shilling for latest fad, will have to build some credibility, reputation and personal brand! Should we ignore your comments because you use throwaway account and thus have no credibility reputation or personal brand here?
sgu999 3y ago
> Something like that happened when Samuel Colt invented his revolver. Every person could defend themselfs. Overnight it become very unwise to randomly attack people! "Every person could attack anyone" seems like a better phrasing, given that LLM really don't allow us to defend ourselves from bullshit. > "Intelligent" people will have to drop their shilling for latest fad, will have to build some credibility, reputation and personal brand! I'm not sure I follow. Without LLMs, idiots can convince the masses that they aren't idiots just with some reputation and personal brand, some even got elected for presidents. How is this changing the situation?
- Throwfi44 3y ago
  With LLM I could rephrase my argument, in away that you would actually listen. Right now you just filter it out, because it does not fit your narrative and social circle. It gives me a chance to fit it, and speak your "English dialect" without being offensive. In-group bias is a huge wall, LLM eliminates that. Trust me, LLM is great for filtering bullshit. Sentiment analysis, cross checking references, short summaries, ad filtering... You can filter BS on industrial scale with LLM! By "intelligent" people I meant current elites with platform of universities, news media... Thay have very bad track record of lying and corruption.
  - mordae 3y ago
    The platforms won't disappear.
  - sgu999 3y ago
    > Right now you just filter it out, because it does not fit your narrative and social circle. I'd call that a projection... > Sentiment analysis, cross checking references, short summaries, ad filtering... Out of all these, only checking references is actually a way to filter-out bullshit. Checking against what? A third party you trust... It's rather straightforward for simple facts, much less for complex ones. LLM help to automate some of that, but it doesn't fundamentally change how it's done. Want to make it a click-away for the ones who don't have the technical skills? Now they have to trust you...

ethanbond 3y ago

> Overnight it become very unwise to randomly attack people! What planet do you live on where this happened?

Throwfi44 3y ago
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- galdosdi 3y ago
  No, the question is what actual historical event are you referring to? What you are quoting sounds like a legend. When and where did this happen?
  - Throwfi44 3y ago
    Pretty much everywhere, but mostly at Wild West thad had no central government like Europe. Read this essays, it covers my point: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-democratization-of-violence-why-guns-are-a-good-thing/ https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-democratization-of-vio... Similar moment could be invention of printing press, or raise of Internet (vs libraries).

_visgean 3y ago

> "Intelligent" people will have to drop their shilling for latest fad, will have to build some credibility, reputation and personal brand! Should we ignore your comments because you use throwaway account and thus have no credibility reputation or personal brand here?

sgu999 3y ago

> Something like that happened when Samuel Colt invented his revolver. Every person could defend themselfs. Overnight it become very unwise to randomly attack people! "Every person could attack anyone" seems like a better phrasing, given that LLM really don't allow us to defend ourselves from bullshit. > "Intelligent" people will have to drop their shilling for latest fad, will have to build some credibility, reputation and personal brand! I'm not sure I follow. Without LLMs, idiots can convince the masses that they aren't idiots just with some reputation and personal brand, some even got elected for presidents. How is this changing the situation?

Throwfi44 3y ago
With LLM I could rephrase my argument, in away that you would actually listen. Right now you just filter it out, because it does not fit your narrative and social circle. It gives me a chance to fit it, and speak your "English dialect" without being offensive. In-group bias is a huge wall, LLM eliminates that. Trust me, LLM is great for filtering bullshit. Sentiment analysis, cross checking references, short summaries, ad filtering... You can filter BS on industrial scale with LLM! By "intelligent" people I meant current elites with platform of universities, news media... Thay have very bad track record of lying and corruption.
- mordae 3y ago
  The platforms won't disappear.
- sgu999 3y ago
  > Right now you just filter it out, because it does not fit your narrative and social circle. I'd call that a projection... > Sentiment analysis, cross checking references, short summaries, ad filtering... Out of all these, only checking references is actually a way to filter-out bullshit. Checking against what? A third party you trust... It's rather straightforward for simple facts, much less for complex ones. LLM help to automate some of that, but it doesn't fundamentally change how it's done. Want to make it a click-away for the ones who don't have the technical skills? Now they have to trust you...