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Mostly agree with you. A corrupt government and a deaf attitude of people towards a broken system is kind of a cycle. In many of the countries including India w

by jyothi 18y ago

Mostly agree with you. A corrupt government and a deaf attitude of people towards a broken system is kind of a cycle. In many of the countries including India where I live it has gone very far on the negative side that it almost seems impossible to break the loop. >> Changing the government won't change the cultural attitudes, unfortunately. But there got to be some way out. I posted this today after going through a terrible experience. I told many of my friends that I give up, and I don't want to waste my life in this corrupted, broken system. I can pledge that I am fair, loyal, committed and hard working. So is everyone in my family and most folks I move around with. We have worked ourselves up economically without compromising on values. That is our end of it, but at times there is no survival unless you bribe the system. They CAN make life hell for you. So the system changes the culture gradually and that in turns reinforces the broken system to be more broken. I am sitting here today with lost hopes of any change. This needs a revolution of sort, strongly opinionated citizens and a mass mobilization on the issues. I don't even know what I can initiate as an individual. I won't even be heard.

schtog 18y ago
So you are from Cameroon? And you work with computers? Do you have a post highschool education?
- jyothi 18y ago
  No, from India. But the scene is no different. And I as an individual however hard I stand for no-corruption, total fairness would have to succumb to the majority else survival is hard. The other option move out of this system. My latest status msg on IM was "opt brain drain than have brain in drain". That is how bad it gets here.
  - eru 18y ago
    Then move out. After you have made it in another part of the world you can better afford to stand for change.
    - hsuresh 18y ago
      Agree with you. I'm considering this after similar frustrations.
  - nebula 18y ago
    Jyothi, I have been reading your comments on HN for quite a while. I have noticed that you jump ahead and nag about India at the slightest opportunity. Here's John F. Kennedy for you: In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. Here is the video of that speech: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY http://youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY Your education, your earnings, your access to resources, put you under the "privileged few" in India. What are you doing to improve the situation? The world that we live in today was not built in a day; nor did it come without sacrifices from devoted people: Galileo was house arrested for supporting heliocentrism. In my childhood, when I was reading stories of scientists, I read about countless number of those great people harassed/killed by church or other forces. I used to get outraged at those atrocities. It took generations to establish the concepts of freedom of expression and science. It took a civil war to end slavery. It took Civil Rights movement and Luther King, to make progress on racial-non-discrimination. 45 years later, Obama has declared "change has to America". No, doubt you are facing great challenges. Progress is not made by complaining about problems. Progress is made by raising upto the challenge and marching towards solutions. Are you upto it?
    - jyothi 18y ago
      :) Those were very motivating words. Thanks. On nagging about India, I have felt it myself esp with one controversial debate that happened over Chandrayaan post. I do have good words but it has just so happened that there is more to whine about day-to-day feeling helpless (just how u explained in a comment above) than feel good or hopeful. I chose to start a venture in India instead of moving to the US or Europe like my many friends did in the name of higher education, then job. I do whatever good I can do for the country within my capabilities - helping people at individual levels to rise up. As you might have noted I do get highly opinionated and get into lot of trouble even government officials. So I see myself probably not smart enough with getting things across in a nice way, hence incapable of bringing a change at large. Yes, we need a revolution. If it does happen and in a righteous way you would know I would be part of it. (Note there have been many attempts). But would I be the one who starts it probably not.
senthil_rajasek 18y ago
Hmmm... "I don't even know what I can initiate as an individual"... Why don't you start a group? An NGO (Non-Government Organization a.k.a non-profit organization) with one simple goal. Then you are not facing that one simple goal as an individual but as a group, which gives you as an individual a lot of insulation.
- jyothi 18y ago
  possibly. I have seen lokparitran become passive from close quarters, they seem to be struggling with leadership. Then lokayukta which is a govt anti-corruption wing does some decent work. I tried to send a link to this post to jagore folks. I do hope India sees a revolution sooner.
  - senthil_rajasek 18y ago
    "Be the Change" is not a cliche' its how societies succeed. Again, identify a problem in your locality and ask your friends, colleagues, neighbors if they are interested in forming a group (officially with bylaws etc.,) and make representations as a group, which insulates you from getting targeted as an individual.

by jyothi 18y ago

schtog 18y ago

So you are from Cameroon? And you work with computers? Do you have a post highschool education?

jyothi 18y ago
No, from India. But the scene is no different. And I as an individual however hard I stand for no-corruption, total fairness would have to succumb to the majority else survival is hard. The other option move out of this system. My latest status msg on IM was "opt brain drain than have brain in drain". That is how bad it gets here.
- eru 18y ago
  Then move out. After you have made it in another part of the world you can better afford to stand for change.
  - hsuresh 18y ago
    Agree with you. I'm considering this after similar frustrations.
- nebula 18y ago
  Jyothi, I have been reading your comments on HN for quite a while. I have noticed that you jump ahead and nag about India at the slightest opportunity. Here's John F. Kennedy for you: In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. Here is the video of that speech: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY http://youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY Your education, your earnings, your access to resources, put you under the "privileged few" in India. What are you doing to improve the situation? The world that we live in today was not built in a day; nor did it come without sacrifices from devoted people: Galileo was house arrested for supporting heliocentrism. In my childhood, when I was reading stories of scientists, I read about countless number of those great people harassed/killed by church or other forces. I used to get outraged at those atrocities. It took generations to establish the concepts of freedom of expression and science. It took a civil war to end slavery. It took Civil Rights movement and Luther King, to make progress on racial-non-discrimination. 45 years later, Obama has declared "change has to America". No, doubt you are facing great challenges. Progress is not made by complaining about problems. Progress is made by raising upto the challenge and marching towards solutions. Are you upto it?
  - jyothi 18y ago
    :) Those were very motivating words. Thanks. On nagging about India, I have felt it myself esp with one controversial debate that happened over Chandrayaan post. I do have good words but it has just so happened that there is more to whine about day-to-day feeling helpless (just how u explained in a comment above) than feel good or hopeful. I chose to start a venture in India instead of moving to the US or Europe like my many friends did in the name of higher education, then job. I do whatever good I can do for the country within my capabilities - helping people at individual levels to rise up. As you might have noted I do get highly opinionated and get into lot of trouble even government officials. So I see myself probably not smart enough with getting things across in a nice way, hence incapable of bringing a change at large. Yes, we need a revolution. If it does happen and in a righteous way you would know I would be part of it. (Note there have been many attempts). But would I be the one who starts it probably not.

senthil_rajasek 18y ago

Hmmm... "I don't even know what I can initiate as an individual"... Why don't you start a group? An NGO (Non-Government Organization a.k.a non-profit organization) with one simple goal. Then you are not facing that one simple goal as an individual but as a group, which gives you as an individual a lot of insulation.

jyothi 18y ago
possibly. I have seen lokparitran become passive from close quarters, they seem to be struggling with leadership. Then lokayukta which is a govt anti-corruption wing does some decent work. I tried to send a link to this post to jagore folks. I do hope India sees a revolution sooner.
- senthil_rajasek 18y ago
  "Be the Change" is not a cliche' its how societies succeed. Again, identify a problem in your locality and ask your friends, colleagues, neighbors if they are interested in forming a group (officially with bylaws etc.,) and make representations as a group, which insulates you from getting targeted as an individual.