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This is good news. And while there are problems with achieving 100% renewables year round, from energy storage to geographic country conditions, the world would

This is good news. And while there are problems with achieving 100% renewables year round, from energy storage to geographic country conditions, the world would be much better off when the fossils only are used on these days where there isn't enough renewable energy. No need to go overzealous here for the last few %, I'd be very happy if we manage to globally run the vast majority of the time clean.

libertine 3y ago
The problem that isn't mentioned in the article is: at what cost to the Portuguese people this achievement was done? We're already a poor country, and we're kept in mediocrity because we keep getting crushed by rising prices. So the question is: if we don't get anything positive out of it, other than a green drop in the ocean of pollution which won't change that tide of events, why are we paying a premium for it? Shouldn't we be one of the last European countries to perform these achievements, until we got the means to do it? Or is Portugal going to collect a tax from those countries that are not performing? With this, I'm not saying this isn't a positive achievement, of course it is, but the Portuguese people are so numbed from an economic point of view that at least I, and my circle of family and friends, don't rejoice.
- anonyfox 3y ago
  Every country has these problems currently. But people’s money is tacked away in the pockets of the riches and shareholders, something that can and should be solved in different ways than burning dinosaurs. We can not destroy our environment AND distribute wealth more equally, it’s not an „OR“.
  - libertine 3y ago
    Then that's solving the problem from the top down. It's like the EU giving tax benefits to those who buy electric vehicles, and slapping taxes on those who burn dinosaurs -> when a lot of those have no choice but to burn dinosaurs, and they have to drive old cars because they can't afford new electric vehicles. How do you expect "regular people" to be onboard, when they are getting squeezed and penalized for being poor/middle class? It's not like they have a choice. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the " something that can and should be solved in different ways" should have come first, before anything else, and it's not happening any time soon. Guess who is paying in the meantime? The sentiment that fuels extremism and movements that oppose these measures don't pop out in the vacuum.

libertine 3y ago

The problem that isn't mentioned in the article is: at what cost to the Portuguese people this achievement was done? We're already a poor country, and we're kept in mediocrity because we keep getting crushed by rising prices. So the question is: if we don't get anything positive out of it, other than a green drop in the ocean of pollution which won't change that tide of events, why are we paying a premium for it? Shouldn't we be one of the last European countries to perform these achievements, until we got the means to do it? Or is Portugal going to collect a tax from those countries that are not performing? With this, I'm not saying this isn't a positive achievement, of course it is, but the Portuguese people are so numbed from an economic point of view that at least I, and my circle of family and friends, don't rejoice.

anonyfox 3y ago
Every country has these problems currently. But people’s money is tacked away in the pockets of the riches and shareholders, something that can and should be solved in different ways than burning dinosaurs. We can not destroy our environment AND distribute wealth more equally, it’s not an „OR“.
- libertine 3y ago
  Then that's solving the problem from the top down. It's like the EU giving tax benefits to those who buy electric vehicles, and slapping taxes on those who burn dinosaurs -> when a lot of those have no choice but to burn dinosaurs, and they have to drive old cars because they can't afford new electric vehicles. How do you expect "regular people" to be onboard, when they are getting squeezed and penalized for being poor/middle class? It's not like they have a choice. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the " something that can and should be solved in different ways" should have come first, before anything else, and it's not happening any time soon. Guess who is paying in the meantime? The sentiment that fuels extremism and movements that oppose these measures don't pop out in the vacuum.