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>> Camera, Cortana, and Photos can now be uninstalled When a user would uninstall an app, would it actually be removed from the system, or just the icons and e

by alok-g 3y ago

>> Camera, Cortana, and Photos can now be uninstalled When a user would uninstall an app, would it actually be removed from the system, or just the icons and entries would be. Motivation for asking: Several built-in apps are listed in the Apps section of the settings as having just a few kB in size, which does not match how bloated in size apps typically are in the current times. I've seen mouse drivers occupy hundreds of MB. My guess is that the apps are much bigger than those kB values and the installed Apps settings section is set to let users believe otherwise.

walteweiss 3y ago
As with my iPhone that has none of Voice Memos at the moment has data shown as 4 GB. I remove the app, nothing changes, it frees some kilobytes for the app (which I doubt, that the app is in kilobytes) and leaves the data, while it claims it keeps the data only when I unload the app to the cloud.
hurryer 3y ago
Some Windows binaries are hard linked to run directly from the installation disk image copied during Windows install . Those few kb are probably the size of the hard links to the image.
alkonaut 3y ago
I think for app uninstallation to be relevant it's not whether the app resides on disk that's important, it's whether it's interfering with how you use the system. E.g. for a browser it's just important that the browser isn't registered as the default browser everywhere, but you can install your own browser. Being able to "uninstall" an app in a relevant way means being able to make it appear as if you don't have it. Whether or not the files the app uses are still on disk is perhaps relevant for disk space, but from a legal standpoint that seems almost irrelevant.
- Shadowed_ 3y ago
  What you are talking about is not uninstalling. It's disabling. Uninstalling should remove application.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    What you are talking about doesn't really have a good definition. If a windows app consists of 10 files of which 9 are used by other apps too, does that mean removing the only unique file to the app? Should it remove any configuration related to the app etc
    - eviks 3y ago
      These are easy questions, and it's been a very common experience since forever: Shared files stay until you uninstall all apps that use that User config can be removed with an extra option
- eviks 3y ago
  Can you cite your law where "legally" uninstall doesn't uninstall the app binaries???
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.
    - eviks 3y ago
      No, the law is specifically about removal: "To enable end user choice, gatekeepers should not prevent end users from un-installing any software applications on their operating system." And "3. The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable end users to easily un-install any software applications on the operating system of the gatekeeper,"
      - alkonaut 3y ago
        Yes, but the idea of "removal" here I'm pretty sure isn't about disk space but about competition.

by alok-g 3y ago

walteweiss 3y ago

As with my iPhone that has none of Voice Memos at the moment has data shown as 4 GB. I remove the app, nothing changes, it frees some kilobytes for the app (which I doubt, that the app is in kilobytes) and leaves the data, while it claims it keeps the data only when I unload the app to the cloud.

hurryer 3y ago

Some Windows binaries are hard linked to run directly from the installation disk image copied during Windows install . Those few kb are probably the size of the hard links to the image.

alkonaut 3y ago

I think for app uninstallation to be relevant it's not whether the app resides on disk that's important, it's whether it's interfering with how you use the system. E.g. for a browser it's just important that the browser isn't registered as the default browser everywhere, but you can install your own browser. Being able to "uninstall" an app in a relevant way means being able to make it appear as if you don't have it. Whether or not the files the app uses are still on disk is perhaps relevant for disk space, but from a legal standpoint that seems almost irrelevant.

Shadowed_ 3y ago
What you are talking about is not uninstalling. It's disabling. Uninstalling should remove application.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  What you are talking about doesn't really have a good definition. If a windows app consists of 10 files of which 9 are used by other apps too, does that mean removing the only unique file to the app? Should it remove any configuration related to the app etc
  - eviks 3y ago
    These are easy questions, and it's been a very common experience since forever: Shared files stay until you uninstall all apps that use that User config can be removed with an extra option
eviks 3y ago
Can you cite your law where "legally" uninstall doesn't uninstall the app binaries???
- alkonaut 3y ago
  What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.
  - eviks 3y ago
    No, the law is specifically about removal: "To enable end user choice, gatekeepers should not prevent end users from un-installing any software applications on their operating system." And "3. The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable end users to easily un-install any software applications on the operating system of the gatekeeper,"
    - alkonaut 3y ago
      Yes, but the idea of "removal" here I'm pretty sure isn't about disk space but about competition.