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This is a work in progress, their transition isn't done yet. Without nuclear no risks tied to a major accident, dependancy towards uranium providers, hot waste
by natmaka 3y ago
This is a work in progress, their transition isn't done yet.
Without nuclear no risks tied to a major accident, dependancy towards uranium providers, hot waste disposal, overcentralization, overcentralization, proliferation, daunting building and decommission projects... ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38288706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38288706 )
Not a bad deal.
- troupo 3y ago> This is a work in progress, their transition isn't done yet. When will it be done? What really is the answer to the challenge? Germany has ~140 GW of installed renewables when it needs about ~70GW of electricity.
- Scarblac 3y agoDid you include the electricity needed for when all heating, transport, industry etc is electrified?
- troupo 3y agoGood question as it makes the problem even worse. When I was writing this (before I forgot to send it on a cloudy morning) 140 GW of installed renewables in Germany are producing a grand total of 14GW of electricity. Germany needs 61GW. Right now it looks like all of Europe [1] is busy burning gas and coal because it's cloudy, and there's very little wind. So what happens when everything becomes electrical? Say, Germany needs 150GW of electricity, builds 500 GW of renewables, but those only produce 50GW (10% of installed capacity, like today)? [1] Except three countries with stable electricity generation: France (nuclear), Sweden (nuclear + hydro), Norway (hydro)
- Scarblac 3y agoAh, I misunderstood you completely, I thought you were saying that Germany had more renewables than it needs. Hopefully we build better ways for storing large amounts of energy.
- realusername 3y agoYeah no risk of a major accident ... apart from climate change you know. If Germany could at least reach the 90s levels of France, that's why I would consider that some work in progress already
- hef19898 3y agoI love that, you know? You have some good news regarding electricity and renewables, and instead of being happy, people start to look for problems. But let's role with it for second. Renewables are, unfortunately, not at a point yet where they can cover 100% of demand. We cannot change the current mix neither. So, what would be your proposed way forward to "solve" climate change? I am really curious, because most of the time people just ignore the time schedule behind those transitions (power plants have to be built, grids to be extended...).
- realusername 3y agoI'm the kind of "I'll believe it when I see it" type of person. The transition is clearly not going well and they even wanted to build more gas pipes, the russian war lessons have not been learned. Renewables in the EU overpromissed and underdelivered for a long time.
- hef19898 3y agoTimeline, again... The additional gas pipes, used for heating and industrial use primarily and not electricity (no idea why people fail to understand the difference) have been built before (!) the war in Ukraine. And never been used. To the point Germany increased coal consumption. So, when those pipelines, Nordstream 2 I assume you mean, was built, there was no war in Ukriane or elsewhere involving Russia, and hence no lessons to be drwan from it! I know, social media resulted in attention spans zrending to zero, but time for us humans still moves im one direction, and things happened whek they did, and not when peiole learn about them...
- realusername 3y ago
- vasco 3y agoWe have all the risks and none of the benefits of nuclear since Spain has a couple surrounding us.
- natmaka 3y agoThis is a work in progress. The growing fleet of renewable units will enable Spain to shut reactors down without building other ones. This is heavy industry, nothing can be done in a jiffy.