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Worth noting this is Simone Giertz, she's a very popular maker on the internet, and her youtube channel has over 2M subscribers. A lot of her funding on KS is

by beAbU 3y ago

Worth noting this is Simone Giertz, she's a very popular maker on the internet, and her youtube channel has over 2M subscribers. A lot of her funding on KS is porbably based on that alone. It is a cool design, but 3 years? She definitely worked on other projects in that time. Ultimately the volume taken up by the clothes is the same, you either have a shallow but wide closet, or deep but narrow. If you are not worried about the crease this might cause down the middle, then you might as well fold the garment and put it on a shelf? Also, where are trousers supposed to go now?

chx 3y ago
> If you are not worried about the crease this might cause down the middle, There is a claim this won't happen.
dale_glass 3y ago
> It is a cool design, but 3 years? She definitely worked on other projects in that time. She also had multiple treatments for brain cancer. Though I think that was before this project I imagine such a thing takes a considerable toll.
- beAbU 3y ago
  Oh yes and that! Must've been a terrible experience. So yeah, "3 years" is a little click-baity, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do for marketing.
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
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    - jacquesm 3y ago
      That's not nice.
    - marcomourao 3y ago
      I love dark humour but this isn't even funny or clever.
      - pfannkuchen 3y ago
        It’s the most extreme version of clickbait for the situation! You can’t prove that it didn’t!
- yard2010 3y ago
  It's so nice she got over it! She's really like a sunshine
- TaupeRanger 3y ago
  She did not have brain cancer. She had a benign tumor that was surgically removed.
  - Gare 3y ago
    She also underwent radiation treatment because parts were around her optical nerve.
- kayfox 3y ago
  I think the main delay is probably turnaround time on later prototypes. It takes a while to get something custom made, get injection molds done, get a prototype out of them, so like the idea is that she would have been working on this for 3 years, but not constantly on it for free years. Getting anything done with custom PCBs is the same sorta design, order, wait, assemble, test, repeat process. So while it may take 50~250 hours of work to make just the electrical portion of a DEF CON badge, that 50~250 hours may take place over 6 months.
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stodor89 3y ago
I think the crease comes not from folding but rather from stacking other clothes on top of it once it's folded. Her invention looks very niche to me, but what do I know anyway? Still remember when GTA 3 came out and I was like "Pfft, who'd want the back of the main character occupying a sizeable part of the screen all the time?!" :)
ilogik 3y ago
this hanger has custom plastic parts. 3 years does not sound exaggerated. it's not 3 years of a full time job, but 3 years from concept to being ready for production sounds plausible.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
Yup. My reaction when I saw the KickStarter campaing: it's Simone Giertz, so it's legit. If it were just some rando who's not a name I recognize from the DIY sphere, I'd assume it's fraud. I bet many people will buy it because of who made it, even if they don't need it.
wodenokoto 3y ago
I was also thinking that the nearly 200 orders for a single coat hanger must be more of a sign of support for the creator than a sign of demand for the product.
bertil 3y ago
> She definitely worked on other projects in that time. If you didn't recognize the name, you are in for a treat… She filmed a lot of those and her collaboration with other makers — her videos with Laura Kampf are a breath of fresh air.
heeton 3y ago
> It is a cool design, but 3 years? She definitely worked on other projects in that time. She's a nice lady, but 9 months to incubate? Her mother definitely did other things in that time.
murermader 3y ago
> Also, where are trousers supposed to go now? In the Kickstarter video she shows how you can hang pants with it: You split the coat hanger in half (where the 2 'triangles' are connecting by a plastic piece), and then just put the pants on half of the coat hanger. I guess it is the same as just folding the coat hanger and only using one half, but it looks tidier this way.
Damogran6 3y ago
I marvel at the pedantry on HN sometimes...the 3 year comment is the thing you're locking on? You can only mention the period of time something was developed if NOTHING else occurs at the same time? You can't multitask? Eat? Sleep? Use the restroom? It took 3 years from the first thought to the start of the marketing campaign. So what? She's moderately successful and a neat person, don't inject negativity into what is becoming less and less common on the internet, and what used to make it great. My though was that, for being known for shitty robots, Simone came up with something that really wasn't shitty at all.
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
  >the 3 year comment is the thing you're locking on? What do you mean by locking on? >You can only mention the period of time something was developed if NOTHING else occurs at the same time? I think "I worked on a coat hanger for 3 years would be more clear." "I spent 3 years" literaly means that three years were used (spent) on it. Also it being the title of the video implies that. Basically, in terms of the title of the video, which is supposed to tell you the main idea, from the fact that the title isn't "I developed a new coat hanger" but "I spent 3 years working on a new coathanger," one might think that the three years were literaly spent on the coathanger. Putting numbers in a video title genrally improves clickrate. Also the fact that it took 3 years is more of a shocking claim so that in itself improves the click rate, which is somewhat dimminished if she took a 1.5 year break in between or something. I havn't watched the video by the way so my thoughts are based only on what I think the title implies, which is anyway what the discussion at hand is. All this said I do think it is possible three year were spent (or spent to the maximum extent possible). Lead times can be long in manufacuring and it is possible to spend a year just on verification and testing. The past few years has also seen a lot of supply chain issues.
  - Damogran6 3y ago
    3 years is 9.467e+7 seconds. What percentage of that time would you think she'd have to spend, in order for the title to be accurate? Sure, she's playing to the algorithm, but it's far from the most egregous example I've seen of it.

by beAbU 3y ago

chx 3y ago

> If you are not worried about the crease this might cause down the middle, There is a claim this won't happen.

dale_glass 3y ago

> It is a cool design, but 3 years? She definitely worked on other projects in that time. She also had multiple treatments for brain cancer. Though I think that was before this project I imagine such a thing takes a considerable toll.

beAbU 3y ago
Oh yes and that! Must've been a terrible experience. So yeah, "3 years" is a little click-baity, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do for marketing.
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That's not nice.
  - marcomourao 3y ago
    I love dark humour but this isn't even funny or clever.
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      It’s the most extreme version of clickbait for the situation! You can’t prove that it didn’t!
yard2010 3y ago
It's so nice she got over it! She's really like a sunshine
TaupeRanger 3y ago
She did not have brain cancer. She had a benign tumor that was surgically removed.
- Gare 3y ago
  She also underwent radiation treatment because parts were around her optical nerve.
kayfox 3y ago
I think the main delay is probably turnaround time on later prototypes. It takes a while to get something custom made, get injection molds done, get a prototype out of them, so like the idea is that she would have been working on this for 3 years, but not constantly on it for free years. Getting anything done with custom PCBs is the same sorta design, order, wait, assemble, test, repeat process. So while it may take 50~250 hours of work to make just the electrical portion of a DEF CON badge, that 50~250 hours may take place over 6 months.

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stodor89 3y ago

I think the crease comes not from folding but rather from stacking other clothes on top of it once it's folded. Her invention looks very niche to me, but what do I know anyway? Still remember when GTA 3 came out and I was like "Pfft, who'd want the back of the main character occupying a sizeable part of the screen all the time?!" :)

ilogik 3y ago

this hanger has custom plastic parts. 3 years does not sound exaggerated. it's not 3 years of a full time job, but 3 years from concept to being ready for production sounds plausible.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Yup. My reaction when I saw the KickStarter campaing: it's Simone Giertz, so it's legit. If it were just some rando who's not a name I recognize from the DIY sphere, I'd assume it's fraud. I bet many people will buy it because of who made it, even if they don't need it.

wodenokoto 3y ago

I was also thinking that the nearly 200 orders for a single coat hanger must be more of a sign of support for the creator than a sign of demand for the product.

bertil 3y ago

> She definitely worked on other projects in that time. If you didn't recognize the name, you are in for a treat… She filmed a lot of those and her collaboration with other makers — her videos with Laura Kampf are a breath of fresh air.

heeton 3y ago

> It is a cool design, but 3 years? She definitely worked on other projects in that time. She's a nice lady, but 9 months to incubate? Her mother definitely did other things in that time.

murermader 3y ago

> Also, where are trousers supposed to go now? In the Kickstarter video she shows how you can hang pants with it: You split the coat hanger in half (where the 2 'triangles' are connecting by a plastic piece), and then just put the pants on half of the coat hanger. I guess it is the same as just folding the coat hanger and only using one half, but it looks tidier this way.

Damogran6 3y ago

I marvel at the pedantry on HN sometimes...the 3 year comment is the thing you're locking on? You can only mention the period of time something was developed if NOTHING else occurs at the same time? You can't multitask? Eat? Sleep? Use the restroom? It took 3 years from the first thought to the start of the marketing campaign. So what? She's moderately successful and a neat person, don't inject negativity into what is becoming less and less common on the internet, and what used to make it great. My though was that, for being known for shitty robots, Simone came up with something that really wasn't shitty at all.

Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
>the 3 year comment is the thing you're locking on? What do you mean by locking on? >You can only mention the period of time something was developed if NOTHING else occurs at the same time? I think "I worked on a coat hanger for 3 years would be more clear." "I spent 3 years" literaly means that three years were used (spent) on it. Also it being the title of the video implies that. Basically, in terms of the title of the video, which is supposed to tell you the main idea, from the fact that the title isn't "I developed a new coat hanger" but "I spent 3 years working on a new coathanger," one might think that the three years were literaly spent on the coathanger. Putting numbers in a video title genrally improves clickrate. Also the fact that it took 3 years is more of a shocking claim so that in itself improves the click rate, which is somewhat dimminished if she took a 1.5 year break in between or something. I havn't watched the video by the way so my thoughts are based only on what I think the title implies, which is anyway what the discussion at hand is. All this said I do think it is possible three year were spent (or spent to the maximum extent possible). Lead times can be long in manufacuring and it is possible to spend a year just on verification and testing. The past few years has also seen a lot of supply chain issues.
- Damogran6 3y ago
  3 years is 9.467e+7 seconds. What percentage of that time would you think she'd have to spend, in order for the title to be accurate? Sure, she's playing to the algorithm, but it's far from the most egregous example I've seen of it.