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I can't believe its coming to this. I've been de-googling myself slowly over the past 5 years or so. The shift has been marked, but even cynical old me is surp

I can't believe its coming to this. I've been de-googling myself slowly over the past 5 years or so. The shift has been marked, but even cynical old me is surprised how quickly they are turning on their user base. The signs have been there all along though. So... in all seriousness... Brave or Firefox? What about that Kagi Orion browser?

rossdavidh 3y ago
I use both Brave (on my phone) and Firefox (on my laptop), and they both work fine.
- Ayesh 3y ago
  Me too. I have Firefox installed on my phone (Android) as well, but I found Brave to be faster with its "baked in" ad blocker compared to Firefox Android + uBO. Brave on Android is still an annoying software, with VPN, Rewards, and News icons in the burger menu that you can't disable. You can turn off the services, but the icons do not go away.
defensem3ch 3y ago
vivaldi
- spiritplumber 3y ago
  is it still around?
  - TheFreim 3y ago
    Still around getting updates, I've been using it for a while now.
karmasimida 3y ago
> they are turning on their user base Their user base are not us.
SllX 3y ago
I've been liking Arc. Even comes with uBlock Origin.
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sys_64738 3y ago
I got rid of GMail and haven't looked back. GOOG being run into the ground would be wonderful to me. They are evil.
- kentm 3y ago
  What did you replace it with?
  - beart 3y ago
    Not who you replied to but I'll chime in with a similar experience. I also moved away from gmail. I set it to forward all emails to my new account and slowly moved various services off of it to the point now that the only thing it receives is spam. I originally tried proton mail. It was nice but I never took advantage of the encryption features. So I eventually settled on fastmail and I have zero complaints. I still have my gmail accounts for a few things (SSO, sharing calendars), but I haven't logged into the email account in years.
  - sys_64738 3y ago
    ICloud for me
  - lordfrito 3y ago
    I moved to fastmail, positive experience I have zero complaints.
nicce 3y ago
Firefox is the best. Company behind Brave is yet another ad company, which business model eventually conflicts with the interests of the users. Orion browser is still too young to match the requirements of the major userbase. But Kagi beats Google already as search engine.
- heresie-dabord 3y ago
  Firefox and derivatives such as Librewolf.[1] [1] _ https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
  - pleb_nz 3y ago
    Does librewolf have a mobile version or can I sync Firefox stuff to libre so I can sync between Firefox and libre where needs require one or the other is installed?
- freediver 3y ago
  > Orion browser is still too young to match the requirements of the major userbase. But Kagi beats Google already as search engine. Orion is older than Kagi search. What is it missing in your opinion?
  - nicce 3y ago
    Cross-platform support is must. It is only possible to use it currently if you are deep into Apple ecosystem. I know it takes resources, but there is no other way. To add: Browser itself is in quite good shape, maybe the best you get on iOS. But for example, sync with iCloud only does not work in the long term. Vendor lock-in is hindering adaption.
    - freediver 3y ago
      I'd say that does not make a browser young, otherwise you would have to call Safari young too. The goal of Orion is not to go for maximum possible market share, but to be the best browser for Mac. This specialization may be seen as a sign of maturity and devotion to a well-built, native user experience. On the other hand, browsers like Chrome and Firefox are not native on Mac and look out of place when used on macOS. They do not use native controls and do not integrate native services. This is exactly because they are cross-platform and have to carry the burden of being built by a committee on all these platforms. Their design language traces back to the first platform they were designed for - Windows. So at least to me, they look 'young' and unpolished on a Mac despite being 20 years old. I doubt they even look and feel native on Windows any more, they are kind of hopelessly lost in translation. If that is a sign of maturity, then they did not age well. Orion may be called young for many things, but not being cross-platform is not one of them. We'd like to build similar native experiences for other platforms, but you have to start somewhere. (Orion dev here, if it was not obvious)
Loggias 3y ago
Google just keeps on digging in. Their search engine has been a smoldering SEO dumpster fire for the past 10 years; Now it’s blazing. Chrome? Friends don’t let friends use Chrome. It’s the unadulterated Android OS of the browser world. I’ve been considering Kagi, but I don’t see an easy way to pay for it without basically removing all anonymity… it really is a relentless yet boring dystopia.
barkerja 3y ago
I gave Orion a serious try a few weeks ago, and it was very promising. But I ended up having to abandon it due to 1Password not working. I'll likely revisit it soon, when there's hopefully been some more fixes and improvements.

rossdavidh 3y ago

I use both Brave (on my phone) and Firefox (on my laptop), and they both work fine.

Ayesh 3y ago
Me too. I have Firefox installed on my phone (Android) as well, but I found Brave to be faster with its "baked in" ad blocker compared to Firefox Android + uBO. Brave on Android is still an annoying software, with VPN, Rewards, and News icons in the burger menu that you can't disable. You can turn off the services, but the icons do not go away.

defensem3ch 3y ago

vivaldi

spiritplumber 3y ago
is it still around?
- TheFreim 3y ago
  Still around getting updates, I've been using it for a while now.

karmasimida 3y ago

> they are turning on their user base Their user base are not us.

SllX 3y ago

I've been liking Arc. Even comes with uBlock Origin.

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sys_64738 3y ago

I got rid of GMail and haven't looked back. GOOG being run into the ground would be wonderful to me. They are evil.

kentm 3y ago
What did you replace it with?
- beart 3y ago
  Not who you replied to but I'll chime in with a similar experience. I also moved away from gmail. I set it to forward all emails to my new account and slowly moved various services off of it to the point now that the only thing it receives is spam. I originally tried proton mail. It was nice but I never took advantage of the encryption features. So I eventually settled on fastmail and I have zero complaints. I still have my gmail accounts for a few things (SSO, sharing calendars), but I haven't logged into the email account in years.
- sys_64738 3y ago
  ICloud for me
- lordfrito 3y ago
  I moved to fastmail, positive experience I have zero complaints.

nicce 3y ago

Firefox is the best. Company behind Brave is yet another ad company, which business model eventually conflicts with the interests of the users. Orion browser is still too young to match the requirements of the major userbase. But Kagi beats Google already as search engine.

heresie-dabord 3y ago
Firefox and derivatives such as Librewolf.[1] [1] _ https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
- pleb_nz 3y ago
  Does librewolf have a mobile version or can I sync Firefox stuff to libre so I can sync between Firefox and libre where needs require one or the other is installed?
freediver 3y ago
> Orion browser is still too young to match the requirements of the major userbase. But Kagi beats Google already as search engine. Orion is older than Kagi search. What is it missing in your opinion?
- nicce 3y ago
  Cross-platform support is must. It is only possible to use it currently if you are deep into Apple ecosystem. I know it takes resources, but there is no other way. To add: Browser itself is in quite good shape, maybe the best you get on iOS. But for example, sync with iCloud only does not work in the long term. Vendor lock-in is hindering adaption.
  - freediver 3y ago
    I'd say that does not make a browser young, otherwise you would have to call Safari young too. The goal of Orion is not to go for maximum possible market share, but to be the best browser for Mac. This specialization may be seen as a sign of maturity and devotion to a well-built, native user experience. On the other hand, browsers like Chrome and Firefox are not native on Mac and look out of place when used on macOS. They do not use native controls and do not integrate native services. This is exactly because they are cross-platform and have to carry the burden of being built by a committee on all these platforms. Their design language traces back to the first platform they were designed for - Windows. So at least to me, they look 'young' and unpolished on a Mac despite being 20 years old. I doubt they even look and feel native on Windows any more, they are kind of hopelessly lost in translation. If that is a sign of maturity, then they did not age well. Orion may be called young for many things, but not being cross-platform is not one of them. We'd like to build similar native experiences for other platforms, but you have to start somewhere. (Orion dev here, if it was not obvious)

Loggias 3y ago

Google just keeps on digging in. Their search engine has been a smoldering SEO dumpster fire for the past 10 years; Now it’s blazing. Chrome? Friends don’t let friends use Chrome. It’s the unadulterated Android OS of the browser world. I’ve been considering Kagi, but I don’t see an easy way to pay for it without basically removing all anonymity… it really is a relentless yet boring dystopia.

barkerja 3y ago

I gave Orion a serious try a few weeks ago, and it was very promising. But I ended up having to abandon it due to 1Password not working. I'll likely revisit it soon, when there's hopefully been some more fixes and improvements.