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Exactly right. We should be cheering and champion on the success of these very early and primitive electric trucks. Also, notice how much energy it takes to mov

Exactly right. We should be cheering and champion on the success of these very early and primitive electric trucks. Also, notice how much energy it takes to move them. The author states that the power station for these few trucks could power 28,000 homes. This is the reality of industry, it uses a lot of power. We need to keep increasing the electric grid for nuclear and renewables.

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jojobas 3y ago
You can cheer on something that actually works, like Freightliner or Volvo.
- wilg 3y ago
  Freightliner has delivered like 20 trucks I think, same as Tesla. And Volvo has possibly not delivered any?
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Volvo has delivered trucks. Here's one charging up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA Here's another one charging: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 Here are some more Volvo trucks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q Here's Volvo driving electric trucks in Australia: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/nov/volvo-group-celebrates-pioneering-distance-in-australia.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202... More Volvos in Australia. Apparently Volvo can't stop delivering: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/feb/first-australian-customer-delivery-of-volvo-fe-electric.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202...
    - wilg 3y ago
      I'm not saying the trucks don't physically exist, just that I can't find evidence of deliveries to customers. Your approach to evidence here seems very lacking. - The first one we don't know if it's a customer. Why couldn't it be a prototype? Some guy just saw it charging? - The second one isn't a semi truck. - The third one seems to be footage of people sitting in a demo truck of some kind from a PR event about opening a charging station with a pledge to buy some in the future. Hardly seems like a slam dunk case that other people are all over this market.
      - clouddrover 3y ago
        Good grief. More Volvos (and Scanias): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq4jpgrMk64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq4jpgrMk64 And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKHFiB4XG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKHFiB4XG8 And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrkbPwlz_YY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrkbPwlz_YY And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocC5qdrAOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocC5qdrAOU And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dgdk555G0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dgdk555G0g And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EA6Y5CT2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EA6Y5CT2E You really need to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed to this extent by Tesla advertising. It's not doing you any good.
        wilg 3y ago
        bro you are sending me MARKETING VIDEOS and telling me not to be brainwashed by advertising. i simply tried to look up the number of trucks volvo and freightliner SAY they delivered
        clouddrover 3y ago
        Dude, you plainly didn't watch the first video where the name of the company operating the truck is WRITTEN ON IT. Your lazy response to that one was: "The first one we don't know if it's a customer." Try watching them start to finish. In the meantime, Volvo will get on with building and delivering BEV trucks and buses. Try not to worry so much that these practical realities invalidate your faulty preconceptions.
  - runako 3y ago
    Go with BYD, they have delivered tens of thousands of electric semis to customers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299998
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    Electric vehicles just don't scale up. Its just the nature of batteries, and really only way to overcome it is to have electrified network - trams, rail. The bottom line for using batteries is simple and unavoidable (with current infrastructure) The longer the travel distance the more bateries you need. The heavier cargo the more batteries you need. And the longer it takes to charge them. Batteries dont decrease in weight like diesel as journey progresses. It seems that the maximum we can take EV cargo is small local delivery trucks for inner cities. And Tesla itself is providing evidence for it. They have a video of Semi journey, where its repetitively overtaken by normal truck (they drive slower to save battery), their commercial partner use case is crisps/chips ie. carrying 99% air with 1% potatoes (semi serious joke). So I wouldnt trust any EV truck company. And any creative solutions to the 'battery scaling problem' by changing the infrastructure seems to be pointless as you instead could just build more rail - a far superior cargo solution.

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jojobas 3y ago

You can cheer on something that actually works, like Freightliner or Volvo.

wilg 3y ago
Freightliner has delivered like 20 trucks I think, same as Tesla. And Volvo has possibly not delivered any?
- clouddrover 3y ago
  Volvo has delivered trucks. Here's one charging up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA Here's another one charging: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 Here are some more Volvo trucks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q Here's Volvo driving electric trucks in Australia: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/nov/volvo-group-celebrates-pioneering-distance-in-australia.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202... More Volvos in Australia. Apparently Volvo can't stop delivering: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/feb/first-australian-customer-delivery-of-volvo-fe-electric.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202...
  - wilg 3y ago
    I'm not saying the trucks don't physically exist, just that I can't find evidence of deliveries to customers. Your approach to evidence here seems very lacking. - The first one we don't know if it's a customer. Why couldn't it be a prototype? Some guy just saw it charging? - The second one isn't a semi truck. - The third one seems to be footage of people sitting in a demo truck of some kind from a PR event about opening a charging station with a pledge to buy some in the future. Hardly seems like a slam dunk case that other people are all over this market.
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      Good grief. More Volvos (and Scanias): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq4jpgrMk64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq4jpgrMk64 And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKHFiB4XG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKHFiB4XG8 And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrkbPwlz_YY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrkbPwlz_YY And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocC5qdrAOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ocC5qdrAOU And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dgdk555G0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dgdk555G0g And more Volvos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EA6Y5CT2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EA6Y5CT2E You really need to stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed to this extent by Tesla advertising. It's not doing you any good.
      - wilg 3y ago
        bro you are sending me MARKETING VIDEOS and telling me not to be brainwashed by advertising. i simply tried to look up the number of trucks volvo and freightliner SAY they delivered
        clouddrover 3y ago
        Dude, you plainly didn't watch the first video where the name of the company operating the truck is WRITTEN ON IT. Your lazy response to that one was: "The first one we don't know if it's a customer." Try watching them start to finish. In the meantime, Volvo will get on with building and delivering BEV trucks and buses. Try not to worry so much that these practical realities invalidate your faulty preconceptions.
- runako 3y ago
  Go with BYD, they have delivered tens of thousands of electric semis to customers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38299998
- me_me_me 3y ago
  Electric vehicles just don't scale up. Its just the nature of batteries, and really only way to overcome it is to have electrified network - trams, rail. The bottom line for using batteries is simple and unavoidable (with current infrastructure) The longer the travel distance the more bateries you need. The heavier cargo the more batteries you need. And the longer it takes to charge them. Batteries dont decrease in weight like diesel as journey progresses. It seems that the maximum we can take EV cargo is small local delivery trucks for inner cities. And Tesla itself is providing evidence for it. They have a video of Semi journey, where its repetitively overtaken by normal truck (they drive slower to save battery), their commercial partner use case is crisps/chips ie. carrying 99% air with 1% potatoes (semi serious joke). So I wouldnt trust any EV truck company. And any creative solutions to the 'battery scaling problem' by changing the infrastructure seems to be pointless as you instead could just build more rail - a far superior cargo solution.