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Firefox gaining market share yet? It gained me; FF's hostile 2021 summer mobile release really burned me. But guess who is back? Can't stand this garbage. Ads

by tomrod 3y ago

Firefox gaining market share yet? It gained me; FF's hostile 2021 summer mobile release really burned me. But guess who is back? Can't stand this garbage. Ads are a malicious code payload vector worth blocking. We will be likely move our business off Google Suite too. Any suggestions on good replacements with trustworthy vendors?

hankman86 3y ago
Microsoft 365.
- ashton314 3y ago
  You can’t be serious.
  - tomrod 3y ago
    A lot of people use it But if I wanted MS, we would have started on MS instead of Google Suite. Yeah, it's out there, but I agree with you, not a trustworthy option.
dilawar 3y ago
We are a small startup using Zoho and Notion (for developeras and knowledge base). We like Zoho. Whenever we felt like we need a solution now for some new requirement, they have it! Some of their apps are very good like Books, Expense, Sign, Drive and Write, most are good enough and a few need more work (calendar, booking, and meet). When you need help there is always a person to talk to and they are pretty fast in support. In dollar pricing, they are very cheap, but in India, they are still on pricey side. But worth every rupee we spend on them. Zoho CEO is bit of a character!
- SanjayMehta 3y ago
  Another vote for Zoho. What we like is the ability for every email user to be on a different plan, the savings really added up compared to what Google wanted.
  - 23B1 3y ago
    Third vote for Zoho. Just got tired of the existential dread of depending on a company that clearly does not give a damn about SMB.
verhaust 3y ago
I switched to 95% firefox in 2021. I needed ad block on my phone browser due to some awful (but necessary) sites. I still use gmail for my main email and use other google-specific apps in my browser/phone. So I keep a chrome browser installed on my PC with my main google account logged in. I only use that for google stuff though. All other browsing is done in firefox. It's worked out great for me.
- q1w2 3y ago
  Why use Chrome for Google apps? I use firefox for google and it works fine.
tapoxi 3y ago
Firefox has lost about 60 million users since Chrome announced Manifest v3: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
- kyleee 3y ago
  Extra credit: compare and contrast with the graph of Baker’s compensation as CEO
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    Term project: draw Sundar Pichai's total comp over the graph of Baker's comp without using a log scale.
    - ric2b 3y ago
      Google is much larger than Chrome, Mozilla isn't much larger than Firefox.
- bluish29 3y ago
  According to this blog announcement, [1] Manifest 3 was announced on Nov 9th 2020 which had ~223M Firefox users and the last avaiable data says that on Nov 5th there is a ~187M users. This about ~36M not 60M. [1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/ https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/
  - tapoxi 3y ago
    I'm going off of this story: https://9to5google.com/2019/01/22/google-chrome-break-ad-blockers/ https://9to5google.com/2019/01/22/google-chrome-break-ad-blo...
- dns_snek 3y ago
  That's alarming on its own, but I don't think the point of announcement of Mv3 is all that relevant, 99.9% of users aren't going to change their browser until they absolutely have to because they don't know what "Manifest v3" is, much less what it means for them.

by tomrod 3y ago

hankman86 3y ago

Microsoft 365.

ashton314 3y ago
You can’t be serious.
- tomrod 3y ago
  A lot of people use it But if I wanted MS, we would have started on MS instead of Google Suite. Yeah, it's out there, but I agree with you, not a trustworthy option.

dilawar 3y ago

We are a small startup using Zoho and Notion (for developeras and knowledge base). We like Zoho. Whenever we felt like we need a solution now for some new requirement, they have it! Some of their apps are very good like Books, Expense, Sign, Drive and Write, most are good enough and a few need more work (calendar, booking, and meet). When you need help there is always a person to talk to and they are pretty fast in support. In dollar pricing, they are very cheap, but in India, they are still on pricey side. But worth every rupee we spend on them. Zoho CEO is bit of a character!

SanjayMehta 3y ago
Another vote for Zoho. What we like is the ability for every email user to be on a different plan, the savings really added up compared to what Google wanted.
- 23B1 3y ago
  Third vote for Zoho. Just got tired of the existential dread of depending on a company that clearly does not give a damn about SMB.

verhaust 3y ago

I switched to 95% firefox in 2021. I needed ad block on my phone browser due to some awful (but necessary) sites. I still use gmail for my main email and use other google-specific apps in my browser/phone. So I keep a chrome browser installed on my PC with my main google account logged in. I only use that for google stuff though. All other browsing is done in firefox. It's worked out great for me.

q1w2 3y ago
Why use Chrome for Google apps? I use firefox for google and it works fine.

tapoxi 3y ago

Firefox has lost about 60 million users since Chrome announced Manifest v3: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

kyleee 3y ago
Extra credit: compare and contrast with the graph of Baker’s compensation as CEO
- lamontcg 3y ago
  Term project: draw Sundar Pichai's total comp over the graph of Baker's comp without using a log scale.
  - ric2b 3y ago
    Google is much larger than Chrome, Mozilla isn't much larger than Firefox.
bluish29 3y ago
According to this blog announcement, [1] Manifest 3 was announced on Nov 9th 2020 which had ~223M Firefox users and the last avaiable data says that on Nov 5th there is a ~187M users. This about ~36M not 60M. [1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/ https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/
- tapoxi 3y ago
  I'm going off of this story: https://9to5google.com/2019/01/22/google-chrome-break-ad-blockers/ https://9to5google.com/2019/01/22/google-chrome-break-ad-blo...
dns_snek 3y ago
That's alarming on its own, but I don't think the point of announcement of Mv3 is all that relevant, 99.9% of users aren't going to change their browser until they absolutely have to because they don't know what "Manifest v3" is, much less what it means for them.