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Man, this may make Windows a viable option; opens start menu, tons of mass shooting news articles... yeah nevermind.

dorkwood 3y ago
Just do what I do and never open the start menu.
hyperhopper 3y ago
Even aside from the hostility, it just lacks in usability. Every month I find myself frustrated at something it can't do. Most recently: you cannot even change where notifications get displayed or their behavior. What??? Why am I forced to have them in a place where they interfere with the input box for many sites that I use? In my arch install I have them in the center middle with a hotkey to dismiss one or all. And that's just a basic setup.
PhasmaFelis 3y ago
How are you getting unwanted news articles in your Start menu? If I ever had that I removed it instantly, it's two clicks.
- eviks 3y ago
  two clicks is too hard
- Woshiwuja 3y ago
  2 clicks is too much. It should not be turned on by default.
  - PhasmaFelis 3y ago
    Having a regular newsfeed that's easily removed doesn't seem like an inherently monstrous default.
- garbagewoman 3y ago
  Clearly many people have a problem with it, and perhaps you aren’t understanding their reasoning
Joe_Boogz 3y ago
I the get the point of your comment, but the article does state that one of the proposed changes are that you can uninstall news and bing from the start menu / search.
- mulletbum 3y ago
  Is Microsoft allowed to reinstall it after every update?
  - trimistermota 3y ago
    No
    - novaleaf 3y ago
      I believe that's in sarcasm. If you uninstall the widgets bar (something called "Web Experience" IIRC) it will automatically get reinstalled upon next update. (USA based) I got mine to perm disable not by uninstalling, but by changing the folder permissions so nothing has access.
      - brianwawok 3y ago
        So does every annoying choice. So, This is why I Linux. Since win2k every other MS OS has annoyed me.
        coffeeling 3y ago
        Linux is getting better steadily. Still has some largish holes, like poor support for cloud storage if you're not running your own.
        beart 3y ago
        I recently switched to linux desktop for my home PC. Compared to my last attempt at this, the experience is still...not great. There are some awesome features, but then you run into random issues that really sour the experience. For example, my printer randomly disables itself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but I have to go into the settings and enable it before anything will print. Searching for solutions to this and the best I found was a suggestion to add a cron job that enables the printer automatically every x minutes. I have some notes I add to every time I find an issue like that. It's a few pages long as this point. I still don't really want to go back to Windows. They really have ruined it.
mock-possum 3y ago
Just remove the news widget if you don’t want to see it People act like Windows is somehow the only software in the world that you can’t customize to fit your preferred usage /eyeroll
- 0xEF 3y ago
  My own anti-Windows rhetoric and that of others I chat with almost never includes the sentiment that "Windows is somehow the only OS in the world you can't customize." On the contrary, it does have considerable flexibility. No, what we don't like is the bloated, boggy UX, the built-in always-on spyware, and the product-on-rails BS masquerading as predictive features intended to ease use. It's the OS for the lowest common denominator, and we avoid it because of that.
- raincole 3y ago
  OS is a bit different from other software. "But iOS/Nintendo Switch/OS on your dishwasher..." ok there is a reason I don't use these as my desktop.
- travoc 3y ago
  I keep having to re-customize it after every update.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  I don't understand how one can bear an OS where you need to start removing stuff before you can use it without suffering.
- garbagewoman 3y ago
  Just remove it every time it unremoves itself too, whats the big deal!? /eyeroll
- 3seashells 3y ago
  Sisyphos sure is a fool rolling up that rock, when he could reach the mountain top and just let go
firecall 3y ago
MS actually created a decent base UI for Edge. But then whoever in the company ruined it by forcing awful start pages full of horrific news stories on new users. Did they not understand what made Chrome and the simple Google homepage so popular? MS seemingly can’t help themselves with the cheapening of every experience they present to users. Working for MS as a dev must be so frustrating at times!
- chfalck 3y ago
  Just to raise awareness, you can absolutely disable all of this nonsense, they just make it a dark pattern to do so. Find the settings gear or however they disguise it and you can disable all news presentation. It’ll still show up if you scroll down, but uh… for your own sake just never do that
LeafItAlone 3y ago
Is the articles being about mass shootings vs some other subject part of the decision making?

Just do what I do and never open the start menu.

Even aside from the hostility, it just lacks in usability. Every month I find myself frustrated at something it can't do. Most recently: you cannot even change where notifications get displayed or their behavior. What??? Why am I forced to have them in a place where they interfere with the input box for many sites that I use? In my arch install I have them in the center middle with a hotkey to dismiss one or all. And that's just a basic setup.

PhasmaFelis 3y ago

How are you getting unwanted news articles in your Start menu? If I ever had that I removed it instantly, it's two clicks.

eviks 3y ago
two clicks is too hard
Woshiwuja 3y ago
2 clicks is too much. It should not be turned on by default.
- PhasmaFelis 3y ago
  Having a regular newsfeed that's easily removed doesn't seem like an inherently monstrous default.
garbagewoman 3y ago
Clearly many people have a problem with it, and perhaps you aren’t understanding their reasoning

Joe_Boogz 3y ago

I the get the point of your comment, but the article does state that one of the proposed changes are that you can uninstall news and bing from the start menu / search.

mulletbum 3y ago
Is Microsoft allowed to reinstall it after every update?
- trimistermota 3y ago
  No
  - novaleaf 3y ago
    I believe that's in sarcasm. If you uninstall the widgets bar (something called "Web Experience" IIRC) it will automatically get reinstalled upon next update. (USA based) I got mine to perm disable not by uninstalling, but by changing the folder permissions so nothing has access.
    - brianwawok 3y ago
      So does every annoying choice. So, This is why I Linux. Since win2k every other MS OS has annoyed me.
      - coffeeling 3y ago
        Linux is getting better steadily. Still has some largish holes, like poor support for cloud storage if you're not running your own.
        beart 3y ago
        I recently switched to linux desktop for my home PC. Compared to my last attempt at this, the experience is still...not great. There are some awesome features, but then you run into random issues that really sour the experience. For example, my printer randomly disables itself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but I have to go into the settings and enable it before anything will print. Searching for solutions to this and the best I found was a suggestion to add a cron job that enables the printer automatically every x minutes. I have some notes I add to every time I find an issue like that. It's a few pages long as this point. I still don't really want to go back to Windows. They really have ruined it.

mock-possum 3y ago

Just remove the news widget if you don’t want to see it People act like Windows is somehow the only software in the world that you can’t customize to fit your preferred usage /eyeroll

0xEF 3y ago
My own anti-Windows rhetoric and that of others I chat with almost never includes the sentiment that "Windows is somehow the only OS in the world you can't customize." On the contrary, it does have considerable flexibility. No, what we don't like is the bloated, boggy UX, the built-in always-on spyware, and the product-on-rails BS masquerading as predictive features intended to ease use. It's the OS for the lowest common denominator, and we avoid it because of that.
raincole 3y ago
OS is a bit different from other software. "But iOS/Nintendo Switch/OS on your dishwasher..." ok there is a reason I don't use these as my desktop.
travoc 3y ago
I keep having to re-customize it after every update.
prmoustache 3y ago
I don't understand how one can bear an OS where you need to start removing stuff before you can use it without suffering.
garbagewoman 3y ago
Just remove it every time it unremoves itself too, whats the big deal!? /eyeroll
3seashells 3y ago
Sisyphos sure is a fool rolling up that rock, when he could reach the mountain top and just let go

firecall 3y ago

MS actually created a decent base UI for Edge. But then whoever in the company ruined it by forcing awful start pages full of horrific news stories on new users. Did they not understand what made Chrome and the simple Google homepage so popular? MS seemingly can’t help themselves with the cheapening of every experience they present to users. Working for MS as a dev must be so frustrating at times!

chfalck 3y ago
Just to raise awareness, you can absolutely disable all of this nonsense, they just make it a dark pattern to do so. Find the settings gear or however they disguise it and you can disable all news presentation. It’ll still show up if you scroll down, but uh… for your own sake just never do that

LeafItAlone 3y ago

Is the articles being about mass shootings vs some other subject part of the decision making?