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The author clearly has an angle here. Tesla's obviously in some kind of beta mode. They've even said (in the Leno episode) they're going to rev the thing before

by wilg 3y ago

The author clearly has an angle here. Tesla's obviously in some kind of beta mode. They've even said (in the Leno episode) they're going to rev the thing before going into full production. Plus battery degradation is well understood. Plus it's known there are multiple range editions of the Semi, they aren't all the 500mi version. Also obviously the taxpayers aren't paying for this vehicle program somehow. Wait a year and see how it's going. We have to electrify all transport, so someone's got to work on it.

jjulius 3y ago
>Tesla's obviously in some kind of beta mode. Then stop marketing yourself as though you're not. I don't care if the little asterisk in the corner of your website makes it clear that "it's just beta mode, bro", they clearly prefer to put out an image that suggests otherwise.
- ryaneager 3y ago
  I mean car companies have been releasing concept art of future vehicles since like forever so it’s pretty standard.
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  - jonathankoren 3y ago
    Concept cars aren't driven, let alone sold/given to actual customers.
    - snek_case 3y ago
      AFAIK the Tesla Semi isn't being sold to general customers. Pepsi is participating in the testing program, but they knew full well that they were early adopters, and they're doing it in part for the positive PR. It's sort of like a closed beta.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      They also aren't normally intended to ever be produced. They are one-offs, to experiment with design ideas and get reactions.
  - jjulius 3y ago
    GP was speaking about Tesla overall, not their concept art department.
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  - jojobas 3y ago
    Yeah, but concept cars are well denoted as such and CEOs don't normally go all "this and that is production ready and it's financial suicide to buy anything else".
- wilg 3y ago
  You're worried they're misleading semi truck purchasers or something? I mean they have made trucks that are being used, what's the problem? Is it just media coverage or something?
adfiogn1i2o 3y ago
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theteapot 3y ago
Completely agree. This is why they are doing small scale closed doors trials in collaboration with a single private company ... Problems seem normal. "Hot mess" seems normal. They're not in production.
- pclmulqdq 3y ago
  "Order now, you get the truck in 2 years" - Elon Musk 6 years ago.
  - wilg 3y ago
    They didn't take orders/deposits until 2022! Also, who cares? Sometimes products take longer than usual. Especially ones that have never been done before, like a practical electric semi truck for chrissake! Plus, they also had to move a lot of people to rework existing models to accommodate supply chain issues from Covid for like several years.
    - runako 3y ago
      > ones that have never been done before BYD has shipped tens of thousands of EV semi trucks, starting in 2018, approximately 5 years ago. This is something that absolutely has been done before, and is available for delivery today. BYD is the second-largest manufacturer of BEVs and the largest manufacturer of the category that comprises PHEVs and BEVs. The company is not well-known in America, but Warren Buffet invested in the company way back in 2008.
      - wilg 3y ago
        BYD does make electric trucks of various kinds, most are not semi trucks. They also make electric semi trucks but it seems like less than about 200 have been delivered, and starting last year, in 2022. So these are vehicle programs happening at the same time.
    - pclmulqdq 3y ago
      They actually did take deposits immediately after that announcement, at a time when they would have been suspiciously close to bankruptcy without a cash injection.
Drblessing 3y ago
Exactly right. We should be cheering and champion on the success of these very early and primitive electric trucks. Also, notice how much energy it takes to move them. The author states that the power station for these few trucks could power 28,000 homes. This is the reality of industry, it uses a lot of power. We need to keep increasing the electric grid for nuclear and renewables.
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- jojobas 3y ago
  You can cheer on something that actually works, like Freightliner or Volvo.
  - wilg 3y ago
    Freightliner has delivered like 20 trucks I think, same as Tesla. And Volvo has possibly not delivered any?
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      Volvo has delivered trucks. Here's one charging up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA Here's another one charging: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 Here are some more Volvo trucks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q Here's Volvo driving electric trucks in Australia: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/nov/volvo-group-celebrates-pioneering-distance-in-australia.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202... More Volvos in Australia. Apparently Volvo can't stop delivering: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/feb/first-australian-customer-delivery-of-volvo-fe-electric.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202...
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Spooky23 3y ago
It’s amazing that Tesla fanboys are still a thing.
clouddrover 3y ago
> Wait a year and see how it's going. It's already been six years: https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/1/23488040/tesla-semi-delivery-event-electric-truck-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/1/23488040/tesla-semi-deliv... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi And almost one year since the first delivery. One year from now will you say wait another year? Is this another "full self-driving" situation where the "updated, improved, it will work as advertised, this time for real" version is always one year away?
- wilg 3y ago
  I mean I guess I wish they had gone faster? What's the problem here? They're trying to make and mass produce an electric semi truck.
  - jazzyjackson 3y ago
    problem is they keep acting like they've already done it
    - wilg 3y ago
      What are you talking about? General media vibes?
      - me_me_me 3y ago
        ugh... the general vibe of "X is ready for production, we will be delivering next year"... being said every year for 6 years now?
        wilg 3y ago
        Yeah but did that happen?
itsoktocry 3y ago
Why would he write the article without an angle? He's in finance, and is probably short/looking to short TSLA. It's not sinister. Many people here dismissing the article, that's totally fine. It's unsourced. Other people may have interest in the struggles. The fact that this vehicle was supposed to be in production by now is relevant. Why isn't it? >Also obviously the taxpayers aren't paying for this vehicle program somehow If Pepsi is getting any kind of subsidy, then yes, the tax payer is paying for it. This would be surprising to you?

by wilg 3y ago

jjulius 3y ago

>Tesla's obviously in some kind of beta mode. Then stop marketing yourself as though you're not. I don't care if the little asterisk in the corner of your website makes it clear that "it's just beta mode, bro", they clearly prefer to put out an image that suggests otherwise.

ryaneager 3y ago
I mean car companies have been releasing concept art of future vehicles since like forever so it’s pretty standard.
- deleted 3y ago
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- jonathankoren 3y ago
  Concept cars aren't driven, let alone sold/given to actual customers.
  - snek_case 3y ago
    AFAIK the Tesla Semi isn't being sold to general customers. Pepsi is participating in the testing program, but they knew full well that they were early adopters, and they're doing it in part for the positive PR. It's sort of like a closed beta.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    They also aren't normally intended to ever be produced. They are one-offs, to experiment with design ideas and get reactions.
- jjulius 3y ago
  GP was speaking about Tesla overall, not their concept art department.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- jojobas 3y ago
  Yeah, but concept cars are well denoted as such and CEOs don't normally go all "this and that is production ready and it's financial suicide to buy anything else".
wilg 3y ago
You're worried they're misleading semi truck purchasers or something? I mean they have made trucks that are being used, what's the problem? Is it just media coverage or something?

adfiogn1i2o 3y ago

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theteapot 3y ago

Completely agree. This is why they are doing small scale closed doors trials in collaboration with a single private company ... Problems seem normal. "Hot mess" seems normal. They're not in production.

pclmulqdq 3y ago
"Order now, you get the truck in 2 years" - Elon Musk 6 years ago.
- wilg 3y ago
  They didn't take orders/deposits until 2022! Also, who cares? Sometimes products take longer than usual. Especially ones that have never been done before, like a practical electric semi truck for chrissake! Plus, they also had to move a lot of people to rework existing models to accommodate supply chain issues from Covid for like several years.
  - runako 3y ago
    > ones that have never been done before BYD has shipped tens of thousands of EV semi trucks, starting in 2018, approximately 5 years ago. This is something that absolutely has been done before, and is available for delivery today. BYD is the second-largest manufacturer of BEVs and the largest manufacturer of the category that comprises PHEVs and BEVs. The company is not well-known in America, but Warren Buffet invested in the company way back in 2008.
    - wilg 3y ago
      BYD does make electric trucks of various kinds, most are not semi trucks. They also make electric semi trucks but it seems like less than about 200 have been delivered, and starting last year, in 2022. So these are vehicle programs happening at the same time.
  - pclmulqdq 3y ago
    They actually did take deposits immediately after that announcement, at a time when they would have been suspiciously close to bankruptcy without a cash injection.

Drblessing 3y ago

Exactly right. We should be cheering and champion on the success of these very early and primitive electric trucks. Also, notice how much energy it takes to move them. The author states that the power station for these few trucks could power 28,000 homes. This is the reality of industry, it uses a lot of power. We need to keep increasing the electric grid for nuclear and renewables.

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jojobas 3y ago
You can cheer on something that actually works, like Freightliner or Volvo.
- wilg 3y ago
  Freightliner has delivered like 20 trucks I think, same as Tesla. And Volvo has possibly not delivered any?
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Volvo has delivered trucks. Here's one charging up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA Here's another one charging: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovq4Tniknd4 Here are some more Volvo trucks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MquCx4VRV3Q Here's Volvo driving electric trucks in Australia: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/nov/volvo-group-celebrates-pioneering-distance-in-australia.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202... More Volvos in Australia. Apparently Volvo can't stop delivering: https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2023/feb/first-australian-customer-delivery-of-volvo-fe-electric.html https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/202...
    - wilg 3y ago

Spooky23 3y ago

It’s amazing that Tesla fanboys are still a thing.

clouddrover 3y ago

> Wait a year and see how it's going. It's already been six years: https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/1/23488040/tesla-semi-delivery-event-electric-truck-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/1/23488040/tesla-semi-deliv... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi And almost one year since the first delivery. One year from now will you say wait another year? Is this another "full self-driving" situation where the "updated, improved, it will work as advertised, this time for real" version is always one year away?

wilg 3y ago
I mean I guess I wish they had gone faster? What's the problem here? They're trying to make and mass produce an electric semi truck.
- jazzyjackson 3y ago
  problem is they keep acting like they've already done it
  - wilg 3y ago
    What are you talking about? General media vibes?
    - me_me_me 3y ago
      ugh... the general vibe of "X is ready for production, we will be delivering next year"... being said every year for 6 years now?
      - wilg 3y ago
        Yeah but did that happen?

itsoktocry 3y ago

Why would he write the article without an angle? He's in finance, and is probably short/looking to short TSLA. It's not sinister. Many people here dismissing the article, that's totally fine. It's unsourced. Other people may have interest in the struggles. The fact that this vehicle was supposed to be in production by now is relevant. Why isn't it? >Also obviously the taxpayers aren't paying for this vehicle program somehow If Pepsi is getting any kind of subsidy, then yes, the tax payer is paying for it. This would be surprising to you?