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Much appreciate this response, definite upvote, i found it very helpful and clarifying, however, a couple things here that strike me: 1. while all this is comp
by geoffmanning 3y ago
Much appreciate this response, definite upvote, i found it very helpful and clarifying, however, a couple things here that strike me:
1. while all this is compelling, it doesn't change that the author of the study started off by making a statement as if it were a fact, leaving no room for alternative views. i would be shocked to find that this study has been peer reviewed and accepted.
2. the scientific definition of psychopathy is so generic and encompassing that i've long ago ignored it, when i hear psychopathy, i think of trauma that causes extremely deviant and harmful (to others) behavior, and i find that most others find there is a negative connotation associated with it in line with psychopaths being harmful to others. simply being depressed or a "tortured soul" doesn't hit the bar for a psychopath in my book. when you're good at getting people to open up, you find that by the scientific definition, we're all psychopaths. and given the current state of society, it's little wonder just about all of us are a little bit sick in the head.
From a dictionary that quickly goes from pretty much ANY mental illness to this for "psychopathy":
"A personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, exploitation, heedlessness, arrogance, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, and lack of empathy and remorse. Violent and criminal offenses may be indicative of this disorder."
Makes no sense that people that are simply traumatized or depressed would be thrown in with this lot, but the latter are what most people think of when they think of psychopaths.
Just to add on, i live around the Boulder, Colorado area, and i can attest i've met a some creatives that show absolutely no signs of even the scientific definition of a psychopath. Totally well adjusted people that just have really cool ideas.
Also, are you a parent? Kids are about as creative as they come, making things up as they go every day. I'm constantly surprised at the things my 4 year old daughter comes up with out of thin air. Maybe she was traumatized by birth? Just so bizarre that the fundamental element of innovation would be associated with psychopathy, no matter the definition.
- Daub 3y agoYou make some good points. > Kids are about as creative as they come, making things up as they go every day. I believe that the creativity of children is an extension of their need to play. I remember my desire to draw seemed to fade away at about the same time that puberty struck.
- geoffmanning 3y agohave you considered that perhaps that desire simply didn't fade for artists? it reminds me of an artistic piece i saw in Florence, Italy back in 2013 that was of a tree suspended by wires, roots hanging out and all, and while i can't remember the exact words on the artist's sign, it amounted to when we are young we are pliable, we can easily adapt to change, and as we age we grow increasingly firm in our beliefs and incapable of adaptaption. Though it was more poetically worded towards how an older tree is more susceptible to the forces of nature. It will break before it bends.
- geoffmanning 3y agoand just to play devil's advocate for myself, perhaps the reason that artists never lose that is because of a childhood trauma that "traps" them in this creative vice? I hate to admit that this could potentially ring true for me (note that the post below this is chronologically before this one -- apparently this only appears above the first post if you're viewing on mobile vs desktop)
- Daub 3y ago> perhaps the reason that artists never lose that is because of a childhood trauma that "traps" them in this creative vice? Thats an idea that I could get behind.