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Alternatively, most magicians are intimately familiar with psychology and more knowledgable on how to appear as they wish in a context where appearance is being
by casion 3y ago
Alternatively, most magicians are intimately familiar with psychology and more knowledgable on how to appear as they wish in a context where appearance is being measured...
Since you know, that's their job.
- nilamo 3y agoIf that's all it was, then why magicians specifically? Wouldn't that apply to all performing arts (musicians, actors, sales representatives, newscasters, etc)?
- maxlamb 3y agoBecause the other performing arts don’t require a deep understanding of (some aspects of) human psychology to be good.
- krisoft 3y agoI am not sure if I should read your sentence as sarcasm. Because of its context i will interpret it straight. Acting requires a deep understanding of human psychology. If i would have to bet who can pretend to be anything better, an actor or a magician I would bet on the actor every time.
- eru 3y agoThough eg method acting tries to make the simulation less required?
- krisoft 3y agoI don't see how that changes anything? Actors pretend to be what they are not, and pretend to be in situations they are not. That is their job. Yes, method acting is one way out of many how they achieve this. Just so we are on the same page recap of the discussion: Observation: Magicians are less prone to mental disorders than other artists Hypothesis1: Maybe they are not less prone, but better at hiding their mental disorders. Follow on hypothesis2: Maybe they are better at hiding their mental disorders because they are more knowledgeable about psychology. Now, how you check for this hypothesis is that you design a study which weeds out the truth. So it must be understood when I write my counter argument that it is speculation. It is in the absence of hard data. If anyone has evidence pointing either way that should trump such speculation. Counterpoint to hypothesis1: There are other artist who we would expect to be just as good or even better to be pretending to be "okay". For example actors. So it feels unlikely to be just up to ability to pretend to be ok. This is where the conversation was before your comment. Then you wrote what you wrote, which I interpret as "but some actors method act!" Is that a counterpoint to the counterpoint? Is that an alternate hypothesis? If so could you spell it out please? Sorry if this sounds harsh, I'm just trying to understand the argument you are making.
- anigbrowl 3y agoMagicians are necessarily inoculated against believing their own bullshit.
- makeitdouble 3y agoPerforming arts is about showing, where magic is about manipulation. Magicians need to go one level deeper. I think sales representatives come closer to it, though manipulation is not required or a desired practice. Standup comedians could be another slightly similar job.
- alpaca128 3y agoComedians aren't known for their happiness, though, quite the opposite.
- ergonaught 3y agoAlternatively, most magicians are intimately familiar with psychology and more knowledgable on how the brain is untrustworthy and subjective experience is a suggested hallucination therefore less likely to take it seriously enough to produce conditions, unlike most.
- kordlessagain 3y agoAlternatively, treating anything visualized as a truth is probably a bad idea.
- golergka 3y agoWouldn't actors be at the top then?
- ekianjo 3y agodoctors can have huge blind spots that they fail to recognize. It's not because you are super smart and knowledgeable that you can't use a dose of humility
- bawolff 3y agoOn the other hand people with personality disorders (depending on which one) can be very manipulative while still being self destructive. I think being able to use psychology agaibst others does not imply self-awareness.