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> who paid $200 for a genuine copy of Windows 10 Ouch. I'd rather pay the far, far lower price that major PC builders pay. > The Microsoft support engineer in

> who paid $200 for a genuine copy of Windows 10 Ouch. I'd rather pay the far, far lower price that major PC builders pay. > The Microsoft support engineer in this case, ran the following PowerShell command on the customer's Windows PC [the Massgrave activate 1liner on Github] It works as advertised btw. Just having one thing on the internet be not-hostile or having something Microsoftish that isn't gaslighting me while being malicious and exploitive - that in itself is nearly a joy.

yreg 3y ago
There are resellers that are selling Windows keys for single digit dollar values. European Court of Justice has declared that it is legal and Microsoft has to accept it. edit: removed "obtained in bulk"
- kuratkull 3y ago
  Source please? I only found some Oracle court case from 2012 (https://www.pcworld.com/article/465777/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/465777/eu_court_rules_resale...) AFAIK this case is about reselling with the same license, but reselling bulk licenses to end users seems to be something different. Hoping I am wrong.
  - layer8 3y ago
    The EUCJ actually makes it clear that unbundling volume licenses on resale is not permissible, see paragraphs 69 and 86 of the judgment: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=124564&mode=req&pageIndex=1&dir=&occ=first&part=1&text=&doclang=EN&cid=371215 https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=12...
    - yreg 3y ago
      I believe it's this one, I'm not a lawyer. https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/201... Perhaps they were not bought in bulk then, I don't know. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2012/jul/05/eu-used-digital-games-market https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2012/jul/05... Here's a Deloitte talk recommending businesses to buy used licenses: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/pl/Documents/Prezentacje-webinary/pl_Deloitte%20webinar_26%20April_How%20to%20buy%20and%20sell%20pre-owned%20Microsoft%20volume%20licenses.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/pl/Documents/...
      - layer8 3y ago
        Yes, that’s the press release for the judgment I linked. The press release doesn’t address the volume licensing question, which the judgment itself however makes clear in the paragraphs I referenced. The Deloitte slides agree: “Licenses that were originally sold in a bundle cannot be sold separately.”
        yreg 3y ago
        Okay, I don't claim those are bundled licenses. I just guessed so.

yreg 3y ago

There are resellers that are selling Windows keys for single digit dollar values. European Court of Justice has declared that it is legal and Microsoft has to accept it. edit: removed "obtained in bulk"

kuratkull 3y ago
Source please? I only found some Oracle court case from 2012 (https://www.pcworld.com/article/465777/eu_court_rules_resale_of_used_software_licenses_is_legal_even_online.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/465777/eu_court_rules_resale...) AFAIK this case is about reselling with the same license, but reselling bulk licenses to end users seems to be something different. Hoping I am wrong.
- layer8 3y ago
  The EUCJ actually makes it clear that unbundling volume licenses on resale is not permissible, see paragraphs 69 and 86 of the judgment: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=124564&mode=req&pageIndex=1&dir=&occ=first&part=1&text=&doclang=EN&cid=371215 https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=12...
  - yreg 3y ago
    I believe it's this one, I'm not a lawyer. https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/201... Perhaps they were not bought in bulk then, I don't know. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2012/jul/05/eu-used-digital-games-market https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2012/jul/05... Here's a Deloitte talk recommending businesses to buy used licenses: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/pl/Documents/Prezentacje-webinary/pl_Deloitte%20webinar_26%20April_How%20to%20buy%20and%20sell%20pre-owned%20Microsoft%20volume%20licenses.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/pl/Documents/...
    - layer8 3y ago
      Yes, that’s the press release for the judgment I linked. The press release doesn’t address the volume licensing question, which the judgment itself however makes clear in the paragraphs I referenced. The Deloitte slides agree: “Licenses that were originally sold in a bundle cannot be sold separately.”
      - yreg 3y ago
        Okay, I don't claim those are bundled licenses. I just guessed so.