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I care, actually a fair bit, but only because I work in a building that has two areas that are complete dead zones for cellular reception, and our IT department

I care, actually a fair bit, but only because I work in a building that has two areas that are complete dead zones for cellular reception, and our IT department blocks WiFi calling (but not iMessage data). Blue bubbles can message me in those areas; green cannot. It's not at all unusual for my phone to explode in dinging when I leave one of those areas. I wish they didn't block WiFi calling, because my cellular reception at home isn't great, and I'd use it there. We have an internal WiFi network separate from the public one, with per-user authentication, so you don't have to worry about visitors overloading the infrastructure (it's a hospital, lots of families and patients in addition to the staff).

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> Blue bubbles can message me in those areas; green cannot. They can, but one or both parties is refusing to use any of the numerous alternative messaging options like WhatsApp.
- devilbunny 3y ago
  I'm one guy. Six years ago, there were two of us out of ~30 that used Android. Both of us switched in the next year or so because nobody else would use a different app just to talk to us. So we were missing out on fairly critical information, and forget anything time-sensitive. On Android, it wasn't an issue to use Signal, because it will communicate securely if it can and by SMS if it can't. So you can still text anyone from the app. On iOS, not so much. I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta.
  - amadeuspagel 3y ago
    > I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta. This seems prejudiced. If one company supports end-to-end encrypted chats with everyone, and the other only with people who buy their devices, I think it's clear who cares more about privacy.
    - devilbunny 3y ago
      It is prejudiced. I assume Meta is going to make me the product. Signal does E2EE. They have not yet done anything to jeopardize the trust they have earned. Some do not like them, and that’s fine. I have a different view.
      - amadeuspagel 3y ago
        Apple is right now making you the product in a way that limits your privacy, telling other people that they have to buy an apple device if they want encrypted communications with you.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        Is using Signal on iOS not as secure as using it on Android?
        devilbunny 3y ago
        No, they just have to use something other than iMessage. But they won’t.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> Blue bubbles can message me in those areas; green cannot. They can, but one or both parties is refusing to use any of the numerous alternative messaging options like WhatsApp.

devilbunny 3y ago
I'm one guy. Six years ago, there were two of us out of ~30 that used Android. Both of us switched in the next year or so because nobody else would use a different app just to talk to us. So we were missing out on fairly critical information, and forget anything time-sensitive. On Android, it wasn't an issue to use Signal, because it will communicate securely if it can and by SMS if it can't. So you can still text anyone from the app. On iOS, not so much. I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  > I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta. This seems prejudiced. If one company supports end-to-end encrypted chats with everyone, and the other only with people who buy their devices, I think it's clear who cares more about privacy.
  - devilbunny 3y ago
    It is prejudiced. I assume Meta is going to make me the product. Signal does E2EE. They have not yet done anything to jeopardize the trust they have earned. Some do not like them, and that’s fine. I have a different view.
    - amadeuspagel 3y ago
      Apple is right now making you the product in a way that limits your privacy, telling other people that they have to buy an apple device if they want encrypted communications with you.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        Is using Signal on iOS not as secure as using it on Android?
      - devilbunny 3y ago
        No, they just have to use something other than iMessage. But they won’t.