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Not on its own it won't. It needs more people using it. It needs to support extensions like uBlock Origin, which it does. Chrome is built to serve Google's int

Not on its own it won't. It needs more people using it. It needs to support extensions like uBlock Origin, which it does. Chrome is built to serve Google's interests, which is exactly as you'd expect. Use Firefox for a web which better balances the competing interests of corporations and end users.

gary_0 3y ago
There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header. Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box until you give up and go away (or come back with a Chrome that's hungry for cookies). So no, on our present course, Firefox will not save us. And even if every HN reader used it, that wouldn't even come close to pushing its usage share out of the single digits.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header. Don't use that bank. > Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box Don't use that website. It's certainly true that you have no agency or self respect if you embrace a defeatist and submissive outlook. So don't do that.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  >There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header There are countless banks out there. I have bank accounts with several different institutions in two different countries and they all work fine with Firefox + uBO. If yours doesn't, why are you supporting them? >Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box until you give up and go away (or come back with a Chrome that's hungry for cookies). I haven't seen this. If a website is too much of a PITA to use, I just won't use it, and I suggest you do the same.
- crtasm 3y ago
  First I've heard of a bank rejecting firefox, do you have an example?
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - gary_0 3y ago
    https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/w2yih8/just_got_this_notice_from_my_bank_no_more_firefox/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/w2yih8/just_got_th... https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13dyzgl/my_bank_now_block_pdf_download_on_firefox_so_i/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13dyzgl/my_bank_no... https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/n3btqe/why_does_bank_of_america_not_support_the_latest/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/n3btqe/why_does_ba...
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      Your Bank of America example is over two years old and no longer valid: https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers/ https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers...
      - gary_0 3y ago
        Do you think the situation will improve while Firefox has 3% market share, down ~2% from 2 years ago, and with <1% share on mobile? You're nitpicking, there are lots of corporate sites that only test against Chrome/Safari these days. I'd love it if Firefox would regain popularity, and Chrome would lose its stranglehold, but let's not stick our heads in the sand about the way things are going.
        clouddrover 3y ago
        > Do you think the situation will improve The situation in the example you cited has improved. You're undermining your own position. Use Firefox and be happy.
- archerx 3y ago
  Get a better bank.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  If a website is useless to me because I'm using the "wrong" browser, my solution is to not use that website. Easy peasy. Even if it's my bank -- there are other methods of doing business with most banks, after all. And if my bank, for whatever reason, can only be dealt with through their website then I'd change banks in a heartbeat.
saurik 3y ago
Are you failing to respond to the point about the web environment integrity digital rights management proposals because you don't understand it, or because you somehow just don't think it is relevant? Like, in a world where Google gets that deployed and websites start to rely on it, what, exactly, do you think your ad block extension is even going to do?
- clouddrover 3y ago
  [flagged]
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  How exactly is YouTube going to implement this new stuff on millions of embedded clients, namely smart TVs and other such devices that have YouTube clients built-in, and which never get updated? If YT tried to implement some kind of DRM like this, they'll instantly lose a large portion of their userbase.
  - I_Am_Nous 3y ago
    They can afford to play the long game and roll it out over a decade or so if it means complete control of the web. By then old devices can be "reasonably" dropped from support for some BS Security excuse or another. Edit: an example is Windows 11 requiring new enough processors for security reasons even though it would run on older PCs.
- archerx 3y ago
  I will not use those sites simple as. If there is media I want I can get it from the high seas, for free and have a better view experience. The corps have more too lose in this game. If they want more piracy and this is how you get more piracy.

gary_0 3y ago

There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header. Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box until you give up and go away (or come back with a Chrome that's hungry for cookies). So no, on our present course, Firefox will not save us. And even if every HN reader used it, that wouldn't even come close to pushing its usage share out of the single digits.

clouddrover 3y ago
> There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header. Don't use that bank. > Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box Don't use that website. It's certainly true that you have no agency or self respect if you embrace a defeatist and submissive outlook. So don't do that.
shiroiuma 3y ago
>There are already plenty of banking sites and such that will turn you away for not having a standard-issue Chrome user agent header There are countless banks out there. I have bank accounts with several different institutions in two different countries and they all work fine with Firefox + uBO. If yours doesn't, why are you supporting them? >Also, crank your browser's privacy settings too high, and any website with twitchy Cloudflare settings will give you the sisyphean "I'm not a bot" check box until you give up and go away (or come back with a Chrome that's hungry for cookies). I haven't seen this. If a website is too much of a PITA to use, I just won't use it, and I suggest you do the same.
crtasm 3y ago
First I've heard of a bank rejecting firefox, do you have an example?
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  [flagged]
- gary_0 3y ago
  https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/w2yih8/just_got_this_notice_from_my_bank_no_more_firefox/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/w2yih8/just_got_th... https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13dyzgl/my_bank_now_block_pdf_download_on_firefox_so_i/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/13dyzgl/my_bank_no... https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/n3btqe/why_does_bank_of_america_not_support_the_latest/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/n3btqe/why_does_ba...
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Your Bank of America example is over two years old and no longer valid: https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers/ https://www.bankofamerica.com/information/supported-browsers...
    - gary_0 3y ago
      Do you think the situation will improve while Firefox has 3% market share, down ~2% from 2 years ago, and with <1% share on mobile? You're nitpicking, there are lots of corporate sites that only test against Chrome/Safari these days. I'd love it if Firefox would regain popularity, and Chrome would lose its stranglehold, but let's not stick our heads in the sand about the way things are going.
      - clouddrover 3y ago
        > Do you think the situation will improve The situation in the example you cited has improved. You're undermining your own position. Use Firefox and be happy.
archerx 3y ago
Get a better bank.
JohnFen 3y ago
If a website is useless to me because I'm using the "wrong" browser, my solution is to not use that website. Easy peasy. Even if it's my bank -- there are other methods of doing business with most banks, after all. And if my bank, for whatever reason, can only be dealt with through their website then I'd change banks in a heartbeat.

saurik 3y ago

Are you failing to respond to the point about the web environment integrity digital rights management proposals because you don't understand it, or because you somehow just don't think it is relevant? Like, in a world where Google gets that deployed and websites start to rely on it, what, exactly, do you think your ad block extension is even going to do?

clouddrover 3y ago
[flagged]
shiroiuma 3y ago
How exactly is YouTube going to implement this new stuff on millions of embedded clients, namely smart TVs and other such devices that have YouTube clients built-in, and which never get updated? If YT tried to implement some kind of DRM like this, they'll instantly lose a large portion of their userbase.
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  They can afford to play the long game and roll it out over a decade or so if it means complete control of the web. By then old devices can be "reasonably" dropped from support for some BS Security excuse or another. Edit: an example is Windows 11 requiring new enough processors for security reasons even though it would run on older PCs.
archerx 3y ago
I will not use those sites simple as. If there is media I want I can get it from the high seas, for free and have a better view experience. The corps have more too lose in this game. If they want more piracy and this is how you get more piracy.