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If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? More, probably, because

by jmull 3y ago

If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? More, probably, because if they just mention it and you block them, that's disproportionate.

filoleg 3y ago
> If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? The grandparent comment is talking about excluding people for wasting their time going on rants about message bubble colors, not about excluding those with a “wrong” message bubble color. And no, caring about not having to waste time on listening to someone who cares entirely too much about message bubble colors doesn’t mean that you care as much as they do about it.
hospitalJail 3y ago
I hate racists and hating racists doesnt make me a bad person. I hate people who judge others based on $1000 dollar Veblen goods. Also I make more money than them, so I'm very aware that the person who cares about bubbles is being exploited by Apple's psychology and marketing department. So... maybe I don't hate them, maybe we should feel sorry for them. Or maybe we need to hate them because its a deterrent against corporations exploiting insecurities.
- jmull 3y ago
  First, just an aside: you don't have to hate anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person to hate others, but you could be living better, that's for sure. The thing is, it usually mainly impacts the hater, making them unhappy and angry. But your analogy doesn't fit here... the issue with blue and green bubbles is the social pressure to have the "better" bubble color, to show you're part of the "better" group. That is, the negative social pressure comes from the threat of social exclusion via lower social standing. But the previous poster is also threatening social exclusion, but a more complete exclusion, and based on nearly the same thing. So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions. Doesn't make sense, of course. That's my point.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    I have a hard time understanding if this actually matters. Maybe because I'm good looking and make a lot of money, I don't have to care about green bubbles? Maybe this is important if you are a poor person.
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    The previous poster made a decision to exclude based on the other party's actions, namely giving someone shit about the color of a text box.. lol Why would I want to burden myself with clowns like that? I wear clothes because they are comfortable and look nice. I don't wear clothes because of the branding and those that are overly concerned about the branding, would be the same. Edit: also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists, since I choose not to deal with idiots that worry about the color of text boxes. That's cool.
    - jmull 3y ago
      > also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists Where is that claim made?
      - sonicanatidae 3y ago
        Right here: "So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions" This is stating that, for example, if you dislike racists and choose not to associate with them, you're acting like a racist. lol That's not racism...at all. It's not even bigotry. The choice is based on actions, not class, religion, color, etc.
        jmull 3y ago
        I don't think you're following the thread correctly. I guess re-read it, if you want to understand what is being said (probably a waste of time though).
        sonicanatidae 3y ago
sonicanatidae 3y ago
No, because my action is based on their behavior, and shitty attitude, not the color of their text messages. I do not care what color the message is. If I could read it, mission accomplished. People who worry about the color of an SMS are not folks I care to deal with. They are overly concerned about the wrong shit.

by jmull 3y ago

filoleg 3y ago

> If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do? The grandparent comment is talking about excluding people for wasting their time going on rants about message bubble colors, not about excluding those with a “wrong” message bubble color. And no, caring about not having to waste time on listening to someone who cares entirely too much about message bubble colors doesn’t mean that you care as much as they do about it.

hospitalJail 3y ago

I hate racists and hating racists doesnt make me a bad person. I hate people who judge others based on $1000 dollar Veblen goods. Also I make more money than them, so I'm very aware that the person who cares about bubbles is being exploited by Apple's psychology and marketing department. So... maybe I don't hate them, maybe we should feel sorry for them. Or maybe we need to hate them because its a deterrent against corporations exploiting insecurities.

jmull 3y ago
First, just an aside: you don't have to hate anyone. It doesn't make you a bad person to hate others, but you could be living better, that's for sure. The thing is, it usually mainly impacts the hater, making them unhappy and angry. But your analogy doesn't fit here... the issue with blue and green bubbles is the social pressure to have the "better" bubble color, to show you're part of the "better" group. That is, the negative social pressure comes from the threat of social exclusion via lower social standing. But the previous poster is also threatening social exclusion, but a more complete exclusion, and based on nearly the same thing. So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions. Doesn't make sense, of course. That's my point.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  I have a hard time understanding if this actually matters. Maybe because I'm good looking and make a lot of money, I don't have to care about green bubbles? Maybe this is important if you are a poor person.
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  The previous poster made a decision to exclude based on the other party's actions, namely giving someone shit about the color of a text box.. lol Why would I want to burden myself with clowns like that? I wear clothes because they are comfortable and look nice. I don't wear clothes because of the branding and those that are overly concerned about the branding, would be the same. Edit: also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists, since I choose not to deal with idiots that worry about the color of text boxes. That's cool.
  - jmull 3y ago
    > also, I'm now apparently the same ilk as racists Where is that claim made?
    - sonicanatidae 3y ago
      Right here: "So it would be more like showing your objection to racism by expressing racist ideas or taking racist actions" This is stating that, for example, if you dislike racists and choose not to associate with them, you're acting like a racist. lol That's not racism...at all. It's not even bigotry. The choice is based on actions, not class, religion, color, etc.
      - jmull 3y ago
        I don't think you're following the thread correctly. I guess re-read it, if you want to understand what is being said (probably a waste of time though).
        sonicanatidae 3y ago

sonicanatidae 3y ago

No, because my action is based on their behavior, and shitty attitude, not the color of their text messages. I do not care what color the message is. If I could read it, mission accomplished. People who worry about the color of an SMS are not folks I care to deal with. They are overly concerned about the wrong shit.