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> I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. That would go a long way in making a hug

• Andrex 3y ago
  I mean, they're doing it right now. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/google-messages-now-uses-end-to-end-encryption-by-default/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/google-messa...
  • matthewdgreen 3y ago
    The telcos don’t actually provide E2EE. That layer is offered by Google itself, and RCS carries encrypted data, last I checked. Not sure if Apple is going to interoperate with it.
    • tg180 3y ago
      > That layer is offered by Google itself > Not sure if Apple is going to interoperate with it. Only if both users in a 1:1 chat are using Google Messages. E2EE is not possible even with Samsung Messages, so I highly doubt it.
      • olliej 3y ago
        Wait so google doesn’t support e2ee for more than two devices in a chat?
        • tg180 3y ago
          The last time I checked was in 2021 when they launched the feature, and it was only for 1:1 chats. Google might have extended e2ee to group chats (I would hope so). Pretty sure everyone would still have to use Google Messages.
        • rezonant 3y ago
          Yes, it does, as long as everyone is using RCS via Google Messages.
          • olliej 3y ago
            Ok, it's still absurd to me that RCS or Google Messages weren't E2EE from day 1 given even iMessage was doing E2EE group chats almost 5 years before the RCS "universal" profile was released so its not like they didn't have time. Similarly even when google's message platform did add encryption the fact that it wasn't always on is unconscionable. How does google messages (gMessage?) indicate which messages aren't secure?
      • pseudalopex 3y ago
        Google finished rolling out RCS group chat E2EE in August.