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What’s the story around e2e encryption on RCS these days? In the past there were a few countries that didn’t allow it, no idea if that has changed. Also, will

What’s the story around e2e encryption on RCS these days? In the past there were a few countries that didn’t allow it, no idea if that has changed. Also, will iMessage support for RCS include e2ee?

faet 3y ago
Apple will be pushing for RCS/Carriers to adopt e2e, but it'll probably just flag green/notify users that messages are not encrypted.
- lxgr 3y ago
  Anything that needs the participation of every carrier on the planet is doomed from the get-go.
- threeseed 3y ago
  As someone who has worked for two carriers Apple, Google etc have little clout. Governments and their intelligence organisations are what matters. And countries like UK will be pushing as hard as possible to make E2EE optional.
enragedcacti 3y ago
The current status iirc is that Google built its own e2e solutions in Android Messages, first for one-on-one conversations and as of August 2023 for group chats as well. They released technical papers but I don't think the implementations are part of the official spec. I think this section is basically Apple saying that they are going to push for that standardization: > Finally, Apple says it will work with the GSMA members on ways to further improve the RCS protocol. This particularly includes improving the security and encryption of RCS messages. I doubt anything has changed since 2020 in terms of China, Cuba, Iran or Russia but I couldn't find any news one way or the other
- microtonal 3y ago
  The good news is that Google's E2E solution is the Signal protocol: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf?sjid=15104526344564008424-EU https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf?sj...
tapoxi 3y ago
There's a new IETF standard Google has been implementing. It's up to Apple to adopt it. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9420/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9420/
- threeseed 3y ago
  > RFC - Proposed Standard (July 2023) Proposed. And it's both ridiculous and sad that in 2023 we are going to see a messaging standard without E2EE built into the spec.
  - tapoxi 3y ago
    Well it was submitted five years ago, that's the speed of standardization sometimes.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    TLS and SSH are Proposed Standards also. The next step is Internet Standard. HTTP was promoted to Internet Standard last year.
hot_gril 3y ago
Basically N/A

faet 3y ago

Apple will be pushing for RCS/Carriers to adopt e2e, but it'll probably just flag green/notify users that messages are not encrypted.

lxgr 3y ago
Anything that needs the participation of every carrier on the planet is doomed from the get-go.
threeseed 3y ago
As someone who has worked for two carriers Apple, Google etc have little clout. Governments and their intelligence organisations are what matters. And countries like UK will be pushing as hard as possible to make E2EE optional.

enragedcacti 3y ago

The current status iirc is that Google built its own e2e solutions in Android Messages, first for one-on-one conversations and as of August 2023 for group chats as well. They released technical papers but I don't think the implementations are part of the official spec. I think this section is basically Apple saying that they are going to push for that standardization: > Finally, Apple says it will work with the GSMA members on ways to further improve the RCS protocol. This particularly includes improving the security and encryption of RCS messages. I doubt anything has changed since 2020 in terms of China, Cuba, Iran or Russia but I couldn't find any news one way or the other

microtonal 3y ago
The good news is that Google's E2E solution is the Signal protocol: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf?sjid=15104526344564008424-EU https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf?sj...

tapoxi 3y ago

There's a new IETF standard Google has been implementing. It's up to Apple to adopt it. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9420/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9420/

threeseed 3y ago
> RFC - Proposed Standard (July 2023) Proposed. And it's both ridiculous and sad that in 2023 we are going to see a messaging standard without E2EE built into the spec.
- tapoxi 3y ago
  Well it was submitted five years ago, that's the speed of standardization sometimes.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  TLS and SSH are Proposed Standards also. The next step is Internet Standard. HTTP was promoted to Internet Standard last year.

hot_gril 3y ago

Basically N/A