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It should be noted that if you ask most people whether foreign news contains propaganda, they'll say it almost certainly does, but if you ask them whether our n

It should be noted that if you ask most people whether foreign news contains propaganda, they'll say it almost certainly does, but if you ask them whether our news contains propaganda, they'll say it's pretty unlikely, minor, or they can easily spot and dismiss it.

gosub100 3y ago
what makes it even more murky is that misleading/wrong information can be either from propaganda or bias. I wonder if the polarized major news channels are simply doing so because of market share, and pushing the line towards misinformation/misleading simply as rage-bait to keep their views' allegiance. Whereas when I constantly hear FUD about $BAD_COUNTRY I have to assume thats likely propaganda coming from the top.
Buttons840 3y ago
Doesn't match my observations. I often hear complaints about "mainstream media", and some even consider the fact that a news source is "mainstream" sufficient evidence to dismiss all its claims.
Ensorceled 3y ago
I would be willing to bet that a large majority of Americans would say either that CNN/MSNBC are propaganda or Fox News is propaganda and that a sizeable minority would say both are.
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  A disadvantage of attaining hegemony is that lacking unifying external enemies, humans tend to squabble into internal camps. See the Diadochi after Alexander, Blues & Greens for the Byzantines, Guelphs & Ghibellines during the HRE, etc.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    As an outsider, I would not characterize the current divisions in the US as a mere "squabble into internal camps".
    - aebtebeten 3y ago
      The swiss Sonderbund war (an 1847 declared protestant/catholic civil war), with ~100 deaths, was resolved much less[0] bloodily than the 1861 US civil war (hundreds of thousands dead). I was rating "squabble" because unless I am miscounting, the total number of partisan deaths directly[1] attributable to current US divisions are still only ~10. [0] come to think of it, less even than the "Alamo": like the US civil war, also in defense of slavery. [1] NB possible "stochastic terrorism" not included; excess deaths due to fear of vaccination definitely not included.
      - Ensorceled 3y ago
        > NB possible "stochastic terrorism" not included; excess deaths due to fear of vaccination definitely not included. Yeah, even counting official domestic terrorism deaths we're into much larger numbers. But I get your perspective ... I guess I'm worried about the direction.

gosub100 3y ago

what makes it even more murky is that misleading/wrong information can be either from propaganda or bias. I wonder if the polarized major news channels are simply doing so because of market share, and pushing the line towards misinformation/misleading simply as rage-bait to keep their views' allegiance. Whereas when I constantly hear FUD about $BAD_COUNTRY I have to assume thats likely propaganda coming from the top.

Buttons840 3y ago

Doesn't match my observations. I often hear complaints about "mainstream media", and some even consider the fact that a news source is "mainstream" sufficient evidence to dismiss all its claims.

Ensorceled 3y ago

I would be willing to bet that a large majority of Americans would say either that CNN/MSNBC are propaganda or Fox News is propaganda and that a sizeable minority would say both are.

082349872349872 3y ago
A disadvantage of attaining hegemony is that lacking unifying external enemies, humans tend to squabble into internal camps. See the Diadochi after Alexander, Blues & Greens for the Byzantines, Guelphs & Ghibellines during the HRE, etc.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  As an outsider, I would not characterize the current divisions in the US as a mere "squabble into internal camps".
  - aebtebeten 3y ago
    The swiss Sonderbund war (an 1847 declared protestant/catholic civil war), with ~100 deaths, was resolved much less[0] bloodily than the 1861 US civil war (hundreds of thousands dead). I was rating "squabble" because unless I am miscounting, the total number of partisan deaths directly[1] attributable to current US divisions are still only ~10. [0] come to think of it, less even than the "Alamo": like the US civil war, also in defense of slavery. [1] NB possible "stochastic terrorism" not included; excess deaths due to fear of vaccination definitely not included.
    - Ensorceled 3y ago
      > NB possible "stochastic terrorism" not included; excess deaths due to fear of vaccination definitely not included. Yeah, even counting official domestic terrorism deaths we're into much larger numbers. But I get your perspective ... I guess I'm worried about the direction.