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Its a big country and cities are designed for cars not pedestrians. The expectation is you should be driving. Of course, thats a very different perspective from

by anonu 3y ago

Its a big country and cities are designed for cars not pedestrians. The expectation is you should be driving. Of course, thats a very different perspective from a European angle where there is more density in cities and generally better public transportation. US and Europe are, very roughly speaking, the same size in terms of landmass but Europe has more than double the population. So US is "relatively" empty.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Southern Californian suburbs are often "designed for pedestrians" in the sense that they have remarkably smooth sidewalks, with dips at curbs because legislation has long mandated disabled-friendly construction (in that sense the US is ahead of some EU countries). Of course there is the expectation that one should be driving, and it can get tiresome to wait forever at the constant button-operated pedestrian crossings, then have to rush across the six-lane road. But if people don’t walk, it is not due to lack of infastructure.
- arboles 3y ago
  > But if people don’t walk, it is not due to lack of infastructure. You can pave sidewalks, people don't walk because the grid of urban "space-time" is too spread apart to access anything by foot. It's not just because of lack of infrastructure sometimes, it's principally because most distances in a urban place with cars are car distances
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    Loads of Americans find themselves less than two miles from a shop or fast food location. That is a distance that many people in other countries will walk just to get outside and move, and think nothing of it. While in most of the USA sprawl is prohibitive, I suspect that, in many urban locations, people aren’t walking because they think it’s so very far. It’s not far, it’s just that a car and cheap fuel has already made many people lazy.
    - arboles 3y ago
      When people in population centers in other countries walk those distances they may weave from a store into another, along the way. Perhaps that's a reason those distances seem so very far in America, they're boring, visually barren and barren of things to do, there aren't street cafes where a friend or acquaintance might be found by chance. Even though a suburbs sidewalk is just as "walkable" mechanically, it's much less fun. We don't want simply walkable streets, we don't want to think about walking at all. In modernity, health is an activity and consumer demographic onto itself. Seeing someone jogging in outfit has the air of class that a person simply walking to a destination doesn't have when we look at them, even though the person walking has healthy exercise figured, not as part of their lifestyle, but guaranteed in it.

by anonu 3y ago

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

Southern Californian suburbs are often "designed for pedestrians" in the sense that they have remarkably smooth sidewalks, with dips at curbs because legislation has long mandated disabled-friendly construction (in that sense the US is ahead of some EU countries). Of course there is the expectation that one should be driving, and it can get tiresome to wait forever at the constant button-operated pedestrian crossings, then have to rush across the six-lane road. But if people don’t walk, it is not due to lack of infastructure.

arboles 3y ago
> But if people don’t walk, it is not due to lack of infastructure. You can pave sidewalks, people don't walk because the grid of urban "space-time" is too spread apart to access anything by foot. It's not just because of lack of infrastructure sometimes, it's principally because most distances in a urban place with cars are car distances
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Loads of Americans find themselves less than two miles from a shop or fast food location. That is a distance that many people in other countries will walk just to get outside and move, and think nothing of it. While in most of the USA sprawl is prohibitive, I suspect that, in many urban locations, people aren’t walking because they think it’s so very far. It’s not far, it’s just that a car and cheap fuel has already made many people lazy.
  - arboles 3y ago
    When people in population centers in other countries walk those distances they may weave from a store into another, along the way. Perhaps that's a reason those distances seem so very far in America, they're boring, visually barren and barren of things to do, there aren't street cafes where a friend or acquaintance might be found by chance. Even though a suburbs sidewalk is just as "walkable" mechanically, it's much less fun. We don't want simply walkable streets, we don't want to think about walking at all. In modernity, health is an activity and consumer demographic onto itself. Seeing someone jogging in outfit has the air of class that a person simply walking to a destination doesn't have when we look at them, even though the person walking has healthy exercise figured, not as part of their lifestyle, but guaranteed in it.