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You have to love the revival of things like "Let's render the html on the server!", "Lets create the whole page with just one request!", "Let's use SQL, and per

You have to love the revival of things like "Let's render the html on the server!", "Lets create the whole page with just one request!", "Let's use SQL, and perhaps just ONE server!", "Try using a server in your office to save on cloud bills", "Put all your microservices in one process so they are cheap to run and easy to deploy!".

riku_iki 3y ago
> "Try using a server in your office to save on cloud bills" and then company stops working when that server dies.
- nik736 3y ago
  You could also say the same for the cloud when your internet is not working.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    It is easy to setup fault tolerant, simple, low maintenance and cheap for small traffic and data infra in the cloud (e.g. AppEngine+CloudSQL) where provider will provide 99.99% availability. Internet not working is usually can be mitigated through multiple providers, cellular included
    - narag 3y ago
      You can setup redundant local servers too.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        yes, and then you need to have engineer with $300k salary to support your app/postgresql cluster, load balancer, fallack, backups, security, etc with unknown quality.
        narag 3y ago
        So it seems I'm severly underpaid and underemployed. Seriously I'm wasting my time reading HN.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        If you can run such infra with 99.99% availability, you probably should be actively sending resumes on multiple openings to increase your income.
        yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Er. We did that years ago and it was perfectly normal. Some sort of load balancer appliance (I honestly kinda liked the F5s) on the front, your choice of compute cluster behind it running at least 2 copies of each service (usually on 2 separate hosts). I could be in a bubble but I was always under the impression that that was common, and it never seemed terribly hard.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        Load balancer for app is easy part, harder part is to configure replication and fail over for postgres.
        nik736 3y ago
        So you are saying when I am able to configure postgres I can earn a $300K salary? Sorry but this is utter bullshit.
        jalfresi 3y ago
        I do find it fascinating that we are entering a time now where there are engineers who have _only_ ever used cloud services - and that they can't conceive of a era where _we used to have to do all that stuff ourselves on-prem_. BTW this isn't a criticism - just an observation - cloud has been around now for that long. Still feels "new" to me :D

riku_iki 3y ago

> "Try using a server in your office to save on cloud bills" and then company stops working when that server dies.

nik736 3y ago
You could also say the same for the cloud when your internet is not working.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  It is easy to setup fault tolerant, simple, low maintenance and cheap for small traffic and data infra in the cloud (e.g. AppEngine+CloudSQL) where provider will provide 99.99% availability. Internet not working is usually can be mitigated through multiple providers, cellular included
  - narag 3y ago
    You can setup redundant local servers too.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      yes, and then you need to have engineer with $300k salary to support your app/postgresql cluster, load balancer, fallack, backups, security, etc with unknown quality.
      - narag 3y ago
        So it seems I'm severly underpaid and underemployed. Seriously I'm wasting my time reading HN.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        If you can run such infra with 99.99% availability, you probably should be actively sending resumes on multiple openings to increase your income.
        yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        Er. We did that years ago and it was perfectly normal. Some sort of load balancer appliance (I honestly kinda liked the F5s) on the front, your choice of compute cluster behind it running at least 2 copies of each service (usually on 2 separate hosts). I could be in a bubble but I was always under the impression that that was common, and it never seemed terribly hard.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        Load balancer for app is easy part, harder part is to configure replication and fail over for postgres.
        nik736 3y ago
        So you are saying when I am able to configure postgres I can earn a $300K salary? Sorry but this is utter bullshit.
        jalfresi 3y ago
        I do find it fascinating that we are entering a time now where there are engineers who have _only_ ever used cloud services - and that they can't conceive of a era where _we used to have to do all that stuff ourselves on-prem_. BTW this isn't a criticism - just an observation - cloud has been around now for that long. Still feels "new" to me :D