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Nice, so now we have OpenAI and OpenSubtitles that has 'Open' in their name and not open :)

by pca006132 3y ago

em-bee 3y ago
"open" as a term has been abused for decades. anyone remember X/Open?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Shame on X/Open for using “Open” but not in the OSI sense... 11 years before the OSI existed.
gumballindie 3y ago
A classic tactic used by conmen. Make the victim trust you, then snatch their belongings. Easier than open confrontation.
- b112 3y ago
  Well, imdb.com did that without open in the name. Its entire initial database was crowd sourced, end users entering in data about movies, series, tv shows, basically it was wikipedia like. Then one day it said "oh, so sorry, now this is commercial"
  - sumtechguy 3y ago
    Also wasnt CDDB also the one where basically we ended up with creative commons license? The basic problem though is servers cost money and time to run. No one really wants to pay much for it. So these sorts of metadata sites come and go because they end up as the destination for popular 3rd party items to basically harvest their data. Then basically whoever runs it runs into an issue (job loss, crazy bill, anger, whatever) and says screw it this now costs money.
- solardev 3y ago
  Even open confrontation isn't open anymore
- timeon 3y ago
  Like Facebook/Instagram and others. Attract community and when they achieve network effect they can change rules the rules.
- sofixa 3y ago
  Or, people realising that their envisaged way of working is no longer or was never practical or self-sustaining. As much as you might love doing something for the sake of it, or for a community, at some point there are bills to pay. OpenSubtitles is something someone has to pay for, at some point. Especially with such cases, assuming malice is weird. The site wasn't acquired by some shady private capital or whatever entity jacking up prices for profit (like Broadcom with VMware), it's the same people(person?).
dudeinjapan 3y ago
The “open” means “open your wallet and pay us!”
Aardwolf 3y ago
And OpenOffice, which then got the LibreOffice spinoff
dartos 3y ago
Done forget all the “open source” LLMs based on Meta’s llama. We have neither the source code nor training data.
infecto 3y ago
Not even similar, you can still get dumps from OpenSubtitles. But I suspect your comment like many others are from users who don't even really use OpenSubtitles often/ever.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  Please, go right ahead and grab one of those dumps to see how useful they really are. It’s just a list of subtitles with download links. > But I suspect your comment like many others are from users who don't even really use OpenSubtitles often/ever. I suspect your comment is a whole load of projection.
  - infecto 3y ago
    If you are going to disagree with my opinion than please disprove what I said instead of dismissing it as projection. I use OpenSubtitles a lot. You can still freely download subtitles, but their will now be limits on the new REST Api they build. You could in theory scrape the site. You can jump on and download things freely. There might be full dumps including the subtitle text itself out there, I would guess nobody cares given the community around it but thats just a guess. The move is from I understood over the past year to 1) Deprecate the old hard to maintain API 2) Get applications that are using OpenSubtitles to either introduce a OpenSubtitles link in their app or to work with OpenSubtitles to pay for direct access. 3) Help support continued work on both the site and the API. The new daily usage limits against the API still allow unauthenticated users from using the API, downloads are limited to 5 a day per IP. Authenticated users but non-paying get a bump up from that, and paying (VIP) users get 1k per day. Is it change from the old API? Yes but my impression is the core user base are happy to support. It costs money to maintain the entire system and you can still download subtitles without signing up. The data is still freely available but the transport, API, has new limitations. Do you use the OpenSubtitles API or website?
    - CRConrad 3y ago
      What you said had been disproven in this discussion hours before you said it.
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Nice, so now we have OpenAI and OpenSubtitles that has 'Open' in their name and not open :)

em-bee 3y ago

"open" as a term has been abused for decades. anyone remember X/Open?

dragonwriter 3y ago
Shame on X/Open for using “Open” but not in the OSI sense... 11 years before the OSI existed.

gumballindie 3y ago

A classic tactic used by conmen. Make the victim trust you, then snatch their belongings. Easier than open confrontation.

b112 3y ago
Well, imdb.com did that without open in the name. Its entire initial database was crowd sourced, end users entering in data about movies, series, tv shows, basically it was wikipedia like. Then one day it said "oh, so sorry, now this is commercial"
- sumtechguy 3y ago
  Also wasnt CDDB also the one where basically we ended up with creative commons license? The basic problem though is servers cost money and time to run. No one really wants to pay much for it. So these sorts of metadata sites come and go because they end up as the destination for popular 3rd party items to basically harvest their data. Then basically whoever runs it runs into an issue (job loss, crazy bill, anger, whatever) and says screw it this now costs money.
solardev 3y ago
Even open confrontation isn't open anymore
timeon 3y ago
Like Facebook/Instagram and others. Attract community and when they achieve network effect they can change rules the rules.
sofixa 3y ago
Or, people realising that their envisaged way of working is no longer or was never practical or self-sustaining. As much as you might love doing something for the sake of it, or for a community, at some point there are bills to pay. OpenSubtitles is something someone has to pay for, at some point. Especially with such cases, assuming malice is weird. The site wasn't acquired by some shady private capital or whatever entity jacking up prices for profit (like Broadcom with VMware), it's the same people(person?).

dudeinjapan 3y ago

The “open” means “open your wallet and pay us!”

Aardwolf 3y ago

And OpenOffice, which then got the LibreOffice spinoff

dartos 3y ago

Done forget all the “open source” LLMs based on Meta’s llama. We have neither the source code nor training data.

infecto 3y ago

Not even similar, you can still get dumps from OpenSubtitles. But I suspect your comment like many others are from users who don't even really use OpenSubtitles often/ever.

mynameisvlad 3y ago
Please, go right ahead and grab one of those dumps to see how useful they really are. It’s just a list of subtitles with download links. > But I suspect your comment like many others are from users who don't even really use OpenSubtitles often/ever. I suspect your comment is a whole load of projection.
- infecto 3y ago
  If you are going to disagree with my opinion than please disprove what I said instead of dismissing it as projection. I use OpenSubtitles a lot. You can still freely download subtitles, but their will now be limits on the new REST Api they build. You could in theory scrape the site. You can jump on and download things freely. There might be full dumps including the subtitle text itself out there, I would guess nobody cares given the community around it but thats just a guess. The move is from I understood over the past year to 1) Deprecate the old hard to maintain API 2) Get applications that are using OpenSubtitles to either introduce a OpenSubtitles link in their app or to work with OpenSubtitles to pay for direct access. 3) Help support continued work on both the site and the API. The new daily usage limits against the API still allow unauthenticated users from using the API, downloads are limited to 5 a day per IP. Authenticated users but non-paying get a bump up from that, and paying (VIP) users get 1k per day. Is it change from the old API? Yes but my impression is the core user base are happy to support. It costs money to maintain the entire system and you can still download subtitles without signing up. The data is still freely available but the transport, API, has new limitations. Do you use the OpenSubtitles API or website?
  - CRConrad 3y ago
    What you said had been disproven in this discussion hours before you said it.

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