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They should label misleading or fake content, not all "Synthetic content", or else that's discriminatory. There are lots of videos narrated by synthetic AI voic

by seydor 3y ago

They should label misleading or fake content, not all "Synthetic content", or else that's discriminatory. There are lots of videos narrated by synthetic AI voices. Lots of users don't speak english well or don't have a good accent, nothing wrong with that.

taneq 3y ago
Some people just want their Warhammer 40k lore deep-dives narrated by David Attenborough, and I don't see why that's bad.
ajross 3y ago
Why would it be bad to have videos narrated by synthetic AI voices carry a label declaring that the voice is synthetic? This isn't a censorship proposal.
- chankstein38 3y ago
  I'm wondering if it'd be specific like that or if it'd just say "This video has been labeled to contain synthetically generated content" and not specify. Meaning the spectrum from "Tr|_|mp sticks a turkey where the sun don't shine" and "Non-english speaker uses AI voice to narrate" would be labeled the same. I hope it's what you're talking about but I've seen enough actions by YouTube to feel like it's probably the latter.
  - ajross 3y ago
    FWIW, both of those examples are the kind of thing I think we'd all agree don't need to be labeled. No one is going to be fooled by those two videos. The worry is about misleading videos, and having a mechanism to tag them as such that doesn't require content providers to get into the business of deciding on what is true. Basically: "This video is synthetic and does not depict real babies being tortured in Gaza" is the use case in question.
    - chankstein38 3y ago
      I'm 100% with you and all for those kinds of videos being labeled. I'm pretty nervous about the 2024 election with all of the capabilities we've got now. That said, I feel like the norm anymore is for companies to go way overboard and that was where I was going with my comment. The usage you're talking about makes perfect sense I just expect they'll require way more. Like look at how they've handled children. YouTube Kids already exists yet, for some reason, youtubers risk demonetization for showing blood or saying minor curse words to the point where it feels like we can't actually be adults on a platform that already has a counterpart specifically for children. Just not "advertiser friendly" but who's to say that advertisers won't decide that "An AI narrated informational video" is less advertiser friendly than a human narrated one?
wepple 3y ago
I challenge you to define “misleading” Synthetic is at least relatively straight forward to categorize; it’s not based on the content but on the production process & output. I do see your concern about using synthesis to assist with language barriers, but we should be able to distinguish between an actual human video with synthetic narration and the floods of terrible synthetic voice over non-human slide shows & “borrowed” content.
- seydor 3y ago
  you are correct but the article is talking about "crack down" of labeled videos
lern_too_spel 3y ago
Second sentence of the article: "We’ll require creators to disclose when they've created altered or synthetic content that is realistic [emphasis added]." From the second paragraph: "For example, this could be an AI-generated video that realistically depicts an event that never happened, or content showing someone saying or doing something they didn't actually do." They are not requiring labeling of all synthetic content.

by seydor 3y ago

taneq 3y ago

Some people just want their Warhammer 40k lore deep-dives narrated by David Attenborough, and I don't see why that's bad.

ajross 3y ago

Why would it be bad to have videos narrated by synthetic AI voices carry a label declaring that the voice is synthetic? This isn't a censorship proposal.

chankstein38 3y ago
I'm wondering if it'd be specific like that or if it'd just say "This video has been labeled to contain synthetically generated content" and not specify. Meaning the spectrum from "Tr|_|mp sticks a turkey where the sun don't shine" and "Non-english speaker uses AI voice to narrate" would be labeled the same. I hope it's what you're talking about but I've seen enough actions by YouTube to feel like it's probably the latter.
- ajross 3y ago
  FWIW, both of those examples are the kind of thing I think we'd all agree don't need to be labeled. No one is going to be fooled by those two videos. The worry is about misleading videos, and having a mechanism to tag them as such that doesn't require content providers to get into the business of deciding on what is true. Basically: "This video is synthetic and does not depict real babies being tortured in Gaza" is the use case in question.
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    I'm 100% with you and all for those kinds of videos being labeled. I'm pretty nervous about the 2024 election with all of the capabilities we've got now. That said, I feel like the norm anymore is for companies to go way overboard and that was where I was going with my comment. The usage you're talking about makes perfect sense I just expect they'll require way more. Like look at how they've handled children. YouTube Kids already exists yet, for some reason, youtubers risk demonetization for showing blood or saying minor curse words to the point where it feels like we can't actually be adults on a platform that already has a counterpart specifically for children. Just not "advertiser friendly" but who's to say that advertisers won't decide that "An AI narrated informational video" is less advertiser friendly than a human narrated one?

wepple 3y ago

I challenge you to define “misleading” Synthetic is at least relatively straight forward to categorize; it’s not based on the content but on the production process & output. I do see your concern about using synthesis to assist with language barriers, but we should be able to distinguish between an actual human video with synthetic narration and the floods of terrible synthetic voice over non-human slide shows & “borrowed” content.

seydor 3y ago
you are correct but the article is talking about "crack down" of labeled videos

lern_too_spel 3y ago

Second sentence of the article: "We’ll require creators to disclose when they've created altered or synthetic content that is realistic [emphasis added]." From the second paragraph: "For example, this could be an AI-generated video that realistically depicts an event that never happened, or content showing someone saying or doing something they didn't actually do." They are not requiring labeling of all synthetic content.