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If anybody blamed me for not being fully transparent about such things, I would tell them "welcome to earth." I remember the project manager at a past company I

If anybody blamed me for not being fully transparent about such things, I would tell them "welcome to earth." I remember the project manager at a past company I worked for said "In here, it's all about the end user. Our lives don't matter." He was right. The markets don't give a crap about you or your life in the same way it doesn't give a crap about the life of your competitors which you put out of business. Also, omission of facts is not lying. There is no obligation for you to keep them informed about everything that's happening in the business. They can read their employment contract.

0xb0565e486 3y ago
Very cold and insensitive management style in my opinion. If a project I was working on for multiple years and I believed in was shut down and my manager told me “welcome to earth” and “our lives don’t matter” I would one hundred percent leave. Yes, the markets are cold and ruthless but it doesn’t mean you have to be.
robertlagrant 3y ago
> The markets don't give a crap about you or your life in the same way it doesn't give a crap about the life of your competitors which you put out of business. It's not just markets. You also don't care about the employees' psychological safety of, say, the toothpaste manufacturer you buy the toothpaste of. You just want toothpaste. While I personally think it's important to have high integrity, and to work in a company where this is not undermined, ultimately it's about whether or not your company is doing something valuable enough for others to pay for. That's why your salary comes in every month.
JohnFen 3y ago
> Also, omission of facts is not lying. Not always, but it can be. If someone is allowing people to believe something false by withholding information, that is a form of lying.
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
> Also, omission of facts is not lying. yes it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie > Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation or quote mining, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes the failure to correct pre-existing misconceptions. For example, when the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly, but does not mention that a fault was reported during the last service, the seller lies by omission. It may be compared to dissimulation. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore, completely obscures the truth.
mock-possum 3y ago
Yeesh man. Just because you’ve settled for something less than the truth doesn’t mean the rest of us are into it.

0xb0565e486 3y ago

Very cold and insensitive management style in my opinion. If a project I was working on for multiple years and I believed in was shut down and my manager told me “welcome to earth” and “our lives don’t matter” I would one hundred percent leave. Yes, the markets are cold and ruthless but it doesn’t mean you have to be.

robertlagrant 3y ago

> The markets don't give a crap about you or your life in the same way it doesn't give a crap about the life of your competitors which you put out of business. It's not just markets. You also don't care about the employees' psychological safety of, say, the toothpaste manufacturer you buy the toothpaste of. You just want toothpaste. While I personally think it's important to have high integrity, and to work in a company where this is not undermined, ultimately it's about whether or not your company is doing something valuable enough for others to pay for. That's why your salary comes in every month.

JohnFen 3y ago

> Also, omission of facts is not lying. Not always, but it can be. If someone is allowing people to believe something false by withholding information, that is a form of lying.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

> Also, omission of facts is not lying. yes it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie > Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation or quote mining, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes the failure to correct pre-existing misconceptions. For example, when the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly, but does not mention that a fault was reported during the last service, the seller lies by omission. It may be compared to dissimulation. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore, completely obscures the truth.

mock-possum 3y ago

Yeesh man. Just because you’ve settled for something less than the truth doesn’t mean the rest of us are into it.