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Pretty certain you can never stop humans from hallucinating either. Any human answer will have a probability/confidence level attached to it, it's never zero, b

Pretty certain you can never stop humans from hallucinating either. Any human answer will have a probability/confidence level attached to it, it's never zero, because any statement relies on assumptions of the world encoded by the same humans. Unless we are actually doing symbolic reasoning like a theorem proof? But even then are we ever completely certain the proof is correct? This doesn't come naturally to us.

Jensson 3y ago
> Any human answer will have a probability/confidence level attached to it, it's never zero I have been to a grocery store at some point in my life. That is 100%. I trust you also have statements you can be certain of. Humans are 100% certain about many things.
- vidarh 3y ago
  Your claim relies on an assumption that your memory is correct and that your sensory input is trustworthy. While those are highly likely, and so it's reasonable to "round up" and claim to be 100% sure, the probability of it being true is most certainly not 100%.
  - RugnirViking 3y ago
    here's the thing though, we aren't talking about an objective fact. Maybe humans don't exist at all, maybe we're boltzmann brains floating in a nebula. We're talking about self reported probabilities humans are aware of. And yes, I am actually 100% sure of some facts about myself. (I have a sister, I live in an apartment). I am aware, abstractly, that such things may not be true in a sort of plato's cave shadows etc, but I will for all intents and purposes act and believe that they are certain. If such things were proven to not be true, I would be shocked to my very core; I am shocked because it broke a notion I had, if I was aware in my actual core of the possibility that it may not be true, I wouldn't be shocked. To survive, our biological machinery must make assumptions and round probabilities. To do otherwise would be to be paralysed with indecision. (what if there is some small chance an elaborate deathtrap has been sprung that will kill me if I move even slightly at this very moment? what about the next moment?)
    - vidarh 3y ago
      But that is exactly the issue: When your self-reported probability is out of whack with reality you will be prone to confidently making claims that are false and believe them.

Jensson 3y ago

> Any human answer will have a probability/confidence level attached to it, it's never zero I have been to a grocery store at some point in my life. That is 100%. I trust you also have statements you can be certain of. Humans are 100% certain about many things.

vidarh 3y ago
Your claim relies on an assumption that your memory is correct and that your sensory input is trustworthy. While those are highly likely, and so it's reasonable to "round up" and claim to be 100% sure, the probability of it being true is most certainly not 100%.
- RugnirViking 3y ago
  here's the thing though, we aren't talking about an objective fact. Maybe humans don't exist at all, maybe we're boltzmann brains floating in a nebula. We're talking about self reported probabilities humans are aware of. And yes, I am actually 100% sure of some facts about myself. (I have a sister, I live in an apartment). I am aware, abstractly, that such things may not be true in a sort of plato's cave shadows etc, but I will for all intents and purposes act and believe that they are certain. If such things were proven to not be true, I would be shocked to my very core; I am shocked because it broke a notion I had, if I was aware in my actual core of the possibility that it may not be true, I wouldn't be shocked. To survive, our biological machinery must make assumptions and round probabilities. To do otherwise would be to be paralysed with indecision. (what if there is some small chance an elaborate deathtrap has been sprung that will kill me if I move even slightly at this very moment? what about the next moment?)
  - vidarh 3y ago
    But that is exactly the issue: When your self-reported probability is out of whack with reality you will be prone to confidently making claims that are false and believe them.