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The problem with NIMBYism absolutely was not created by the Tories. Even before their de facto ban, it was ludicrously hard and time-consuming to get wind farms
by makomk 3y ago
The problem with NIMBYism absolutely was not created by the Tories. Even before their de facto ban, it was ludicrously hard and time-consuming to get wind farms through the planning process, to the point that even berfore the Tories got into power the UK's only wind turbine factory closed down due to not getting the UK order flow they needed because all the onshore wind farms were stuck in planning hell: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/29/vestas-wind-turbines-environment https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/29/vestas-w...
The media reporting that claimed otherwise was misleading. It relied on surveys about support for wind turbines that were questionably worded and ignored the actual, on-the-ground reality of the problems that companies were having before that change in the rules.
Also, up until very recently abandoning onshore wind in favour of offshore basically worked. It got a whole bunch of wind turbines built with far less NIMBY problems than before (partly because they're out of sight and partly because fewer, larger farms were easier to get through planning), prices were trending down to lower than onshore, that wind turbine factory reopened and competitors set up their own in the UK thanks to the consistent demand, it even encouraged other countries to also do big offshore wind roll outs.
> Anyone with half a brain knew immediately that those reliant on Russian gas would switch over to the same sources that the UK used, putting upwards pressure on the price that we would pay.
Yeah, which is the whole reason that talking point about how the cancelled onshore wind was enough to replace all the gas that the UK imported from Russia was deceptive and meaningless. Replacing the UK's own gas imports from Russia was trivial and not the problem, the problem was precisely that other countries which used far more Russian gas switched over to the same suppliers the UK relied on for the rest of our gas. It's deceptively worded to make a relatively small amount of energy sound like a big, impactful fix for our problems.
- scott_w 3y agoTry reading my comment in its full context instead of cherrypicking the parts you want. The NIMBYism I refer to is the explicit ability of a single complaint to kill an onshore wind farm. What you link to is the general planning issue that plagues the UK but doesn't automatically kill a planning application. Starmer specifically talks about the planning system in his interview at the Future of Britain conference. > It got a whole bunch of wind turbines built with far less NIMBY problems than before That could have happened anyway, except we'd also be further ahead in at least some onshore wind, too. > Yeah, which is the whole reason that talking point about how the cancelled onshore wind was enough to replace all the gas that the UK imported from Russia was deceptive and meaningless. Nobody in any government or energy sector claimed this. And no, don't waste your time citing a Tory source because they've made a lot of verifiably nonsense claims on energy security in the past 18 months, so they're not a reliable source.