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The only three are Samsung, Intel, and TSMC. Idk why going on with Intel but Samsung should BSs doing better but that institutional knowledge that TSMC has is c
by Flameancer 3y ago
The only three are Samsung, Intel, and TSMC. Idk why going on with Intel but Samsung should BSs doing better but that institutional knowledge that TSMC has is crazy. They all technically invest in asml that makes the machines. If I had to redo my education I’d get into electrical engineering just for this.
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago> I’d get into electrical engineering just for this I get the impression it's mostly physics guys.
- lethal-radio 3y agoEverything is physics when you get down to the fundamentals.
- doubloon 3y agoSo "Chemistry, the central science" did not convince you?
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago> Everything is physics when you get down to the fundamentals. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/435/ https://xkcd.com/435/ TLDR: Math is not. :-)
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y agoNah, neither physics nor electrical engineering. It's all chemistry at TSMC.
- jasonwatkinspdx 3y agoEh, the process engineers I've talked to don't have a great life, at least here in the US. It seems inevitable you end up perpetually on call for some machine, and I don't mean some type of machine, I mean unit #23 over in fab #4 and then that's your baby for years. The pay is considerable worse than software too. I almost went to get a CE degree because I find it all so fascinating but ultimately I'm glad I didn't.
- andy_ppp 3y agoIf you want the best people to work in an area you need to pay them. I'm surprised given the possible returns these aren't seven figure jobs.
- red-iron-pine 3y agothe pay is worse than software because you're competing with Asian wages in a manufacturing context, where the margins are slim. the serious system architects, designers, and fab managers are doing just fine, software or not. the dudes in Phoenix who are getting pushed through 2-year degrees to help run a clean room are probably making 65k.
- nextaccountic 3y agoIf enough funding magically appeared, GlobalFoundries could be a contender, right?
- rr808 3y ago> If I had to redo my education I’d get into electrical engineering just for this. This is the crazy thing. Such fundamental important technology but salaries generally suck. Much more money in cat memes and influencer channels.
- buildbot 3y agoYeah the salaries for EEs are really depressing in most of the industry. It's really hard work. Most EEs end up leaving for software or research (I did!).
- vasco 3y agoI took EECS, did a masters in analog design and I've only worked professionally making shitty SaaS websites. Making way more money with way less stress while still feeling accomplished that I learned how to do the complex stuff I wanted to know how. Very hard to make nearly as much otherwise.
- ClimaxGravely 3y agoI went to school for CS while one of my best friends went for EE. It definitely seemed like the far more complex discipline. In fact for a small project in an elective he programmed a computer vision system that was far ahead of anything me or my peers had made at the time in our CS program. He had pretty much zero programming experience. I must admit he's a particularly smart person but it was crazy that I went on to make more money than him. His work is way more complicated than mine as far as I can tell.
- msolujic 3y agoThere is one more player joining that small club, Huawei
- dataking 3y agoI was under the impression they had their chips manufactured by SMIC.
- dontlaugh 3y agoExactly, the fourth player quickly catching up to the others is SMIC.
- Goodroo 3y agoIf there's one company that has the capability to become a Samsung/Intel (IDM) on steroids, it is Huawei. They have the money,talent, determination and state backing.
- esskay 3y agoPresumably only for their own and Chinese brands however as I can't see anyone letting them do fabication for major players outside of China. They've also got a huge hurdle given they cant buy the standard equipment every chip fab needs owing to it all being produced by a single company.
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