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> having a body and sensorimotor interactions with the environment are already established as fundamental preconditions for cognition and in turn consciousness

by pzo 3y ago

> having a body and sensorimotor interactions with the environment are already established as fundamental preconditions for cognition and in turn consciousness. Does someone who is blind is not conscious then? How about when someone who is paralysed? or deaf? or someone with low IQ or mental illness? Stephen Hawking was paralysed most of his life but was a smart guy. If he was not only paralysed but also blind and deaf he would be smart guy still. I don't think AGI needs to have a body, sensorimotor interaction or even vision to be conscious. We need those for training - if you would be blind, paralysed, deaf from the beginning it would be hard for you learn anything and interact in any way. Machines have 6th sense that humans don't have - kind of a telepathy where they can exchange tokens/thoughts with different machines or humans much faster than we humans can type or speak.

Teever 3y ago
I've been thinking about this for a while now but I've been approaching it from the opposite direction. If we were attempting to put someone into some sort of Matrix like reality simulator but we lacked the technology to provide a perfect simulation what level of simulation would be 'good enough' that a human would consider it reality and be able to develop into something we could relate to? If you gave someone the Helen Keller level of experience, but with reduced tactile sensation, how much could you reduce that touch sensation before they wouldn't be like us?
- GenericPoster 3y ago
  > If we were attempting to put someone into some sort of Matrix like reality simulator but we lacked the technology to provide a perfect simulation what level of simulation would be 'good enough' that a human would consider it reality and be able to develop into something we could relate to? Have you tried VR before? You really don't need perfect simulation to be fooled. Good enough is already here, albeit for a short amount of time.

by pzo 3y ago

Teever 3y ago

I've been thinking about this for a while now but I've been approaching it from the opposite direction. If we were attempting to put someone into some sort of Matrix like reality simulator but we lacked the technology to provide a perfect simulation what level of simulation would be 'good enough' that a human would consider it reality and be able to develop into something we could relate to? If you gave someone the Helen Keller level of experience, but with reduced tactile sensation, how much could you reduce that touch sensation before they wouldn't be like us?

GenericPoster 3y ago
> If we were attempting to put someone into some sort of Matrix like reality simulator but we lacked the technology to provide a perfect simulation what level of simulation would be 'good enough' that a human would consider it reality and be able to develop into something we could relate to? Have you tried VR before? You really don't need perfect simulation to be fooled. Good enough is already here, albeit for a short amount of time.