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In other news I contemplated illegally robbing a Las Vegas casino after watching Oceans 11. Unfortunately, it wasn't a conspiracy as I just kept it myself, unti

In other news I contemplated illegally robbing a Las Vegas casino after watching Oceans 11. Unfortunately, it wasn't a conspiracy as I just kept it myself, until now. How do I get Peter Kafka's attention? My company needs press, too.

burgerbrain 14y ago
Don't you think that there might be a difference between a person contemplating something, and an organization of people doing so?
- sp332 14y ago
  No. Unless you can prove that there was an actual conspiracy with intent, there's nothing illegal going on. Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people (as long as there's no blatant fraud involved). Or did you mean some other difference?
  - _delirium 14y ago
    > Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people That's not necessarily true, since groups of people fantasizing tends to involve a lot more externalized things that might be evidence. If I dream at night about bombing a federal building, I probably won't be arrested for it, but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy. Similarly, if there are corporate memos flying around and strategy meetings/documents contemplating illegal activity, that's not necessarily a-ok.
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    - zobzu 14y ago
      I don't know how many times me and friends went about how to rob a bank. Surely we should be set on fire. More than that, Apple "contemplated" it, then decided against it, maybe because, like "oh that doesn't sound legal, we can't do that" ? And, I don't like Apple. But that's no reason.
    - Anechoic 14y ago
      but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy You basically just described my college experience. (or a white-hat conference).
  - burgerbrain 14y ago
    > "there's nothing illegal going on." That's not what I asked, is it? Or do you mean that only illegal activities are worthy of our attention?
huxley 14y ago
I got a completely different impression, it seems to me that Peter Kafka was ridiculing the conspiracy allegations in the DoJ complaint.

burgerbrain 14y ago

Don't you think that there might be a difference between a person contemplating something, and an organization of people doing so?

sp332 14y ago
No. Unless you can prove that there was an actual conspiracy with intent, there's nothing illegal going on. Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people (as long as there's no blatant fraud involved). Or did you mean some other difference?
- _delirium 14y ago
  > Corporations are allowed to fantasize just like people That's not necessarily true, since groups of people fantasizing tends to involve a lot more externalized things that might be evidence. If I dream at night about bombing a federal building, I probably won't be arrested for it, but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy. Similarly, if there are corporate memos flying around and strategy meetings/documents contemplating illegal activity, that's not necessarily a-ok.
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  - zobzu 14y ago
    I don't know how many times me and friends went about how to rob a bank. Surely we should be set on fire. More than that, Apple "contemplated" it, then decided against it, maybe because, like "oh that doesn't sound legal, we can't do that" ? And, I don't like Apple. But that's no reason.
  - Anechoic 14y ago
    but if I meet weekly with a group of people where we discuss bombing federal buildings and how we might go about it, that's starting to get a lot more sketchy You basically just described my college experience. (or a white-hat conference).
- burgerbrain 14y ago
  > "there's nothing illegal going on." That's not what I asked, is it? Or do you mean that only illegal activities are worthy of our attention?

huxley 14y ago

I got a completely different impression, it seems to me that Peter Kafka was ridiculing the conspiracy allegations in the DoJ complaint.