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To my untrained (WRT off-roading) eye, I didn't see that much difference between the two. I also wonder how much difference there would be due to driver skill.

To my untrained (WRT off-roading) eye, I didn't see that much difference between the two. I also wonder how much difference there would be due to driver skill. And as mentioned in TFA, Ford has been making trucks a lot longer than Tesla.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
Hm? Its pretty massive to me. The Tesla has like no suspension travel. The suspension is barely compressing, and you can see the body bounce over the terrain as the wheels lift or almost lift. If you covered the top of the truck from view, I'd say it looks like a cheap crossover. And the base F-150 is not really a long travel truck, its just... you know, sprung like a truck. A little side by side UTV could run over this hill without even letting off the gas.
- jph00 3y ago
  Also, according to the article, the Ford is on road tires whilst the CT is on all-terrains.
  - davidbanham 3y ago
    Not a massive factor on that dusty surface. Tyre pressure would make more of a difference I’d wager.
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  Lack of suspension travel under compression is a common issue off-road for air suspension vehicles like the Grand Cherokee and to a lesser extent Range Rovers. Maybe same for the Cybertruck.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Interesting. Hence the accusations that they are being citified.
- HankB99 3y ago
  > Hm? Its pretty massive to me. As noted - my ignorance of the nuances of off road capability. Someone who knows what they're looking at could see a lot more than I would.
sundvor 3y ago
To me it looked like the CT primarily used its rear motors here, and perhaps also didn't have a "crawl" mode (it'd be XDrive in Subaru speak, I guess) as it was kind of all or nothing. Traction control systems can be upgraded; it'll be interesting to see Tesla return serve on this one. FWIW I reckon 99.9% of these monster trucks will never see conditions like in this video. And that's being generous. Australia has some perverse tax incentives that are making them extremely popular, and they're a scourge on the public roads of Melbourne.
- davidbanham 3y ago
  The FBT exemption incentivises the common crop of dual cab utes. Those are Hilux, Ranger, etc. The much larger F150 shown here can only be had by first importing from the US and then converting locally to right hand drive. The associated engineering certificates and approvals are non-trivia. By that point they’ve picked up the luxury car tax due to the costs involved. They also attract a higher registration/CTP fee due to weight and risk. So, they’re actually heavily disincentivised by taxes and policy. That’s before you even look at the cost to comprehensively insure. Very steep due to the substantial repair costs driven by parts availability.
  - sundvor 3y ago
    The Rangers/Raptors etc I'm seeing that threaten to outnumber your regular sedans on the roads are the ones I'm referring to. They massively outsize your regular cars, even SUVs such as the Mazda CX-5, Tesla Model Y, or the Subaru Outback. The lawmaking that allowed for instant asset write-off for dual cab vehicles up to $150k made zero consideration for the environment, neither pollution nor space wise. I see that it's now capped at $20k, but the damage has already been done.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > Australia has some perverse tax incentives that are making them extremely popular Yet another way Texas is kinda like a mini Australia. I suspect "mega pickup truck" prevalence is probably ahead of Australia. You almost have to see it to believe it. ...And yeah, I wonder what kind of TCS the Cybertruck does. It does have front/back differentials, right, or is it one motor per wheel?
foobarian 3y ago
I'm with you, both trucks struggled a bit but made it to the top. Is this kind of driving an important use case though? I would think it would be more impressive to compare how these trucks handle towing trailers.
- grecy 3y ago
  All trucks struggle to make it up that obstacle - the concrete is slick with sand and the lumps make it hard to get traction. There's plenty of videos of fully built Wranglers struggling more than the Cybertruck.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    I don't see concrete in that video.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > fully built Wranglers Some built up wranglers are not as impressive as they look. They can wade through a lake, but the suspension won't actually flex that much over rough terrain. Of course, some are absolutely mad rock crawlers.
- joshmanders 3y ago
  Depends on where you're at. In my area while you're not going up this type of hill, terrain very similar to this is common when you're out in the sticks looking for a newborn calf to get it inside and out of the cold. Not everywhere a truck needs to do this stuff, but also not everywhere is it all just towing capabilities. Source: Live in rural Iowa on farms.
- defrost 3y ago
  Depends on where you live and your expectations ... here's a bunch of grey haired pensioners on holidays in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5SlLRuBQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5SlLRuBQ0 Their vehicle has pretty good suspension for that type of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4k1ZbJS80E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4k1ZbJS80E
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brucethemoose2 3y ago

Hm? Its pretty massive to me. The Tesla has like no suspension travel. The suspension is barely compressing, and you can see the body bounce over the terrain as the wheels lift or almost lift. If you covered the top of the truck from view, I'd say it looks like a cheap crossover. And the base F-150 is not really a long travel truck, its just... you know, sprung like a truck. A little side by side UTV could run over this hill without even letting off the gas.

jph00 3y ago
Also, according to the article, the Ford is on road tires whilst the CT is on all-terrains.
- davidbanham 3y ago
  Not a massive factor on that dusty surface. Tyre pressure would make more of a difference I’d wager.
alphabettsy 3y ago
Lack of suspension travel under compression is a common issue off-road for air suspension vehicles like the Grand Cherokee and to a lesser extent Range Rovers. Maybe same for the Cybertruck.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Interesting. Hence the accusations that they are being citified.
HankB99 3y ago
> Hm? Its pretty massive to me. As noted - my ignorance of the nuances of off road capability. Someone who knows what they're looking at could see a lot more than I would.

sundvor 3y ago

To me it looked like the CT primarily used its rear motors here, and perhaps also didn't have a "crawl" mode (it'd be XDrive in Subaru speak, I guess) as it was kind of all or nothing. Traction control systems can be upgraded; it'll be interesting to see Tesla return serve on this one. FWIW I reckon 99.9% of these monster trucks will never see conditions like in this video. And that's being generous. Australia has some perverse tax incentives that are making them extremely popular, and they're a scourge on the public roads of Melbourne.

davidbanham 3y ago
The FBT exemption incentivises the common crop of dual cab utes. Those are Hilux, Ranger, etc. The much larger F150 shown here can only be had by first importing from the US and then converting locally to right hand drive. The associated engineering certificates and approvals are non-trivia. By that point they’ve picked up the luxury car tax due to the costs involved. They also attract a higher registration/CTP fee due to weight and risk. So, they’re actually heavily disincentivised by taxes and policy. That’s before you even look at the cost to comprehensively insure. Very steep due to the substantial repair costs driven by parts availability.
- sundvor 3y ago
  The Rangers/Raptors etc I'm seeing that threaten to outnumber your regular sedans on the roads are the ones I'm referring to. They massively outsize your regular cars, even SUVs such as the Mazda CX-5, Tesla Model Y, or the Subaru Outback. The lawmaking that allowed for instant asset write-off for dual cab vehicles up to $150k made zero consideration for the environment, neither pollution nor space wise. I see that it's now capped at $20k, but the damage has already been done.
brucethemoose2 3y ago
> Australia has some perverse tax incentives that are making them extremely popular Yet another way Texas is kinda like a mini Australia. I suspect "mega pickup truck" prevalence is probably ahead of Australia. You almost have to see it to believe it. ...And yeah, I wonder what kind of TCS the Cybertruck does. It does have front/back differentials, right, or is it one motor per wheel?

foobarian 3y ago

I'm with you, both trucks struggled a bit but made it to the top. Is this kind of driving an important use case though? I would think it would be more impressive to compare how these trucks handle towing trailers.

grecy 3y ago
All trucks struggle to make it up that obstacle - the concrete is slick with sand and the lumps make it hard to get traction. There's plenty of videos of fully built Wranglers struggling more than the Cybertruck.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  I don't see concrete in that video.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > fully built Wranglers Some built up wranglers are not as impressive as they look. They can wade through a lake, but the suspension won't actually flex that much over rough terrain. Of course, some are absolutely mad rock crawlers.
joshmanders 3y ago
Depends on where you're at. In my area while you're not going up this type of hill, terrain very similar to this is common when you're out in the sticks looking for a newborn calf to get it inside and out of the cold. Not everywhere a truck needs to do this stuff, but also not everywhere is it all just towing capabilities. Source: Live in rural Iowa on farms.
defrost 3y ago
Depends on where you live and your expectations ... here's a bunch of grey haired pensioners on holidays in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5SlLRuBQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5SlLRuBQ0 Their vehicle has pretty good suspension for that type of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4k1ZbJS80E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4k1ZbJS80E
3y ago