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Neither of those were reframed as hate. "It's Okay To Be White" was a slogan 4chan developed with the specific intent of being the most innocent sounding white

Neither of those were reframed as hate. "It's Okay To Be White" was a slogan 4chan developed with the specific intent of being the most innocent sounding white suprematist slogan possible. ALM was occasionally said with innocent intentions, but again the origin of the phrase was an attempt at discrediting the claim made by BLM that people did not care when black people die. I also have no idea how the author can claim with a straight face that forty years ago having a Confederate flag wasn't making a statement about race.

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      You're leaning 100% into prescriptivism, taking the literal meaning of "It's Okay To be White". The vast majority of far-right slogans are innocuous on a surface reading. The most famous of all - the 14 words - are completely inoffensive if you ignore how they're used. This is quite basic knowledge for how the far right operates, and so you're either deliberately concern trolling, or you're genuinely ignorant (in which case why are you so sure of your opinions?)
      - SenAnder 3y ago
        I see. So the phrases are not themselves racist, just through their association with the far-right. (Where exposing media hostility to extremely mild pro-white statements counts as racist and far-right) So which mildly pro-white phrases aren't racist, then?
        barneygale 3y ago
        > So the phrases are not themselves racist, They /are/ racist. You can read about any of them on wikipedia, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
        SenAnder 3y ago
        I think I understand. So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist? I guess I'll just have to roll over without a fight then, since even the mildest resistance against these smears has been defined as far-right and racist, and I wouldn't want to be either. Besides, I'm sure it'll stop here. When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right? [1] On Having Whiteness - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34039063/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34039063/
        barneygale 3y ago
        > So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist? If you push back on it /using far right slogans/ of course it's racist. > When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right? The problems that you think you have - that you're not allowed to express yourself in terms of far right slogans - are fucking pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself for pursuing them. You have been clearly been given a life of privilege, because people who experience poverty or racism don't pick such cringeworthy fights, divorced from the suffering and problems of the real world.

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    You're leaning 100% into prescriptivism, taking the literal meaning of "It's Okay To be White". The vast majority of far-right slogans are innocuous on a surface reading. The most famous of all - the 14 words - are completely inoffensive if you ignore how they're used. This is quite basic knowledge for how the far right operates, and so you're either deliberately concern trolling, or you're genuinely ignorant (in which case why are you so sure of your opinions?)
    - SenAnder 3y ago
      I see. So the phrases are not themselves racist, just through their association with the far-right. (Where exposing media hostility to extremely mild pro-white statements counts as racist and far-right) So which mildly pro-white phrases aren't racist, then?
      - barneygale 3y ago
        > So the phrases are not themselves racist, They /are/ racist. You can read about any of them on wikipedia, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
        SenAnder 3y ago
        I think I understand. So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist? I guess I'll just have to roll over without a fight then, since even the mildest resistance against these smears has been defined as far-right and racist, and I wouldn't want to be either. Besides, I'm sure it'll stop here. When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right? [1] On Having Whiteness - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34039063/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34039063/
        barneygale 3y ago
        > So if I pushed back on the notion that my identity is a "malignant, parasitic-like condition to which 'white' people have a particular susceptibility" [1], by e.g. stating it is merely "okay", that would be racist? If you push back on it /using far right slogans/ of course it's racist. > When they see we're not resisting, they'll tone down the rhetoric until we all get along. Because that's what has been happening so far - as we get closer to equality, the rhetoric is becoming milder and milder, right? The problems that you think you have - that you're not allowed to express yourself in terms of far right slogans - are fucking pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself for pursuing them. You have been clearly been given a life of privilege, because people who experience poverty or racism don't pick such cringeworthy fights, divorced from the suffering and problems of the real world.