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In 2021 12,000 people died[1] in speeding-related car crashes. Many of those innocent victims of circumstance through no fault of their own. Preventing these d

In 2021 12,000 people died[1] in speeding-related car crashes. Many of those innocent victims of circumstance through no fault of their own. Preventing these deaths by eliminating the ability to drive at unsafe speeds is not suffering. [1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/speed-campaign-speeding-fatalities-14-year-high https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/speed-campaign-speeding...

garciasn 3y ago
Increase active enforcement; make penalties more severe; and treat repeat offenses like DUI. It's not the place of the government to put limits like these on devices just because they want to avoid having to commit to behavioral change through enforcement and penalty.
- stock_toaster 3y ago
  > It's not the place of the government to put limits like these on devices just because they want to avoid having to commit to behavioral change through enforcement and penalty. I mean... That kind of _is_ half of their jobs, isn't it? Dictionary definition of the word "regulation": Rules made by a government or other authority in _order to control the way something is done_ or the way people behave. Note: Not that I necessarily agree with a gps based speed limit facility. My car displays posted speed limits on the dashboard, and it frequently shows the wrong one, from a nearby surface road or who knows what -- a nice feature but more than occasionally wrong. I do think things like top speed governors make sense though (eg. no need for street legal vehicles to go over 100mph public roads instance).
- Volundr 3y ago
  While I'm not supporting the proposal it's pretty unclear to me why it's the governments role to: > Increase active enforcement; make penalties more severe; and treat repeat offenses like DUI. But not limit these "devices". In general I find interference with my person MORE invasive than interference with the capacity of my devices.
sershe 3y ago
What is speeding related? Speed limits are completely arbitrary. 395 in Eastern CA, a straight line for miles thru the desert (i.e. perfect conditions most of the time; there are stretches near Bishop and south where you could take a nap as long as your wheels are true) has 65 state limit, and I90 winding thru snowy mountain passes in WA is 70. So, if I go 70 in the icy forest and cause a crash, I'm not speeding and it's ok; and if I go 70 on the dry straight road I am a terrible person who was speeding.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > So, if I [...] I am a terrible person Yes. The bureaucracy knows and loves us, {human unit #78,042,196} but most of all knows what's best for us. Compliance is mandatory. {human unit #78,042,196} has been docked 12 freedom units for your outburst. Please report to Central Brainwashing tomorrow between 10:30am and 10:45am at Brutalism Plaza.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
The weasel word "related" is doing all the heavy lifting here. Speed is constantly and accurately measured. Police love to say accidents are speed related, because that is always technically true; and it lends vain credibility to the most lucrative traffic law. We have a similar problem with scheduled substances.

garciasn 3y ago

Increase active enforcement; make penalties more severe; and treat repeat offenses like DUI. It's not the place of the government to put limits like these on devices just because they want to avoid having to commit to behavioral change through enforcement and penalty.

stock_toaster 3y ago
> It's not the place of the government to put limits like these on devices just because they want to avoid having to commit to behavioral change through enforcement and penalty. I mean... That kind of _is_ half of their jobs, isn't it? Dictionary definition of the word "regulation": Rules made by a government or other authority in _order to control the way something is done_ or the way people behave. Note: Not that I necessarily agree with a gps based speed limit facility. My car displays posted speed limits on the dashboard, and it frequently shows the wrong one, from a nearby surface road or who knows what -- a nice feature but more than occasionally wrong. I do think things like top speed governors make sense though (eg. no need for street legal vehicles to go over 100mph public roads instance).
Volundr 3y ago
While I'm not supporting the proposal it's pretty unclear to me why it's the governments role to: > Increase active enforcement; make penalties more severe; and treat repeat offenses like DUI. But not limit these "devices". In general I find interference with my person MORE invasive than interference with the capacity of my devices.

sershe 3y ago

What is speeding related? Speed limits are completely arbitrary. 395 in Eastern CA, a straight line for miles thru the desert (i.e. perfect conditions most of the time; there are stretches near Bishop and south where you could take a nap as long as your wheels are true) has 65 state limit, and I90 winding thru snowy mountain passes in WA is 70. So, if I go 70 in the icy forest and cause a crash, I'm not speeding and it's ok; and if I go 70 on the dry straight road I am a terrible person who was speeding.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> So, if I [...] I am a terrible person Yes. The bureaucracy knows and loves us, {human unit #78,042,196} but most of all knows what's best for us. Compliance is mandatory. {human unit #78,042,196} has been docked 12 freedom units for your outburst. Please report to Central Brainwashing tomorrow between 10:30am and 10:45am at Brutalism Plaza.

thomastjeffery 3y ago

The weasel word "related" is doing all the heavy lifting here. Speed is constantly and accurately measured. Police love to say accidents are speed related, because that is always technically true; and it lends vain credibility to the most lucrative traffic law. We have a similar problem with scheduled substances.