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This is a fantastic idea. No one should be able to endanger pedestrians and other drivers through reckless speeding, which killed 12,330 people in the US in 202

by apozem 3y ago

This is a fantastic idea. No one should be able to endanger pedestrians and other drivers through reckless speeding, which killed 12,330 people in the US in 2021 alone [0]. [0]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding

systemvoltage 3y ago
Acceptable trade off. Driving and transportation are fundamental to economic growth. We should however enforce laws of speeding. Not through tyrannical measures like this though. You can’t say “I want a DIY culture” but also “it’s unlawful to hack my car”. Pick one. The government has strict ways to make this trade off. Human life is evaluated in dollar amounts. This might make certain emotions running high, but it’s the only way to assess. Otherwise the safest society is no society at all. Practical Engineering channel on YT recently did a video about this.
- xnx 3y ago
  > Driving and transportation are fundamental to economic growth. Absolutely. Is going 103 mph fundamental to economic growth? I don't think it is.
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  - systemvoltage 3y ago
    Driving in general is. We can argue about specifics, you just made up 103 mph number but that's an acceptable speed on Autobahn. The core argument is: Do we want 0 deaths? If so, what is acceptable number of deaths? And I shed light on how Gov calculates this.
    - xnx 3y ago
      Definitely need to weigh the pros and cons of any change. > you just made up 103 mph number but that's an acceptable speed on Autobahn. That's how fast the car was going in the article, and it was definitely not on the Autobahn or anything like it. I stand that it would be a very sane/reasonable change that vehicles in the us should be limited to 85 mph (the highest posted speed limit on any road).
- Volundr 3y ago
  > You can’t say “I want a DIY culture” but also “it’s unlawful to hack my car”. Pick one. As far as I can tell from the actual article we are discussing, no one said this. Car mods remain 100% legal. The proposed features even allow speeding without modification.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
No it didn't. Collisions killed those people. As I said elsewhere in this thread.. The weasel word "related" is doing all the heavy lifting here. Speed is constantly and accurately measured. Police love to say accidents are speed related, because that is always technically true; and it lends vain credibility to the most lucrative traffic law. We have a similar problem with scheduled substances.

by apozem 3y ago

systemvoltage 3y ago

Acceptable trade off. Driving and transportation are fundamental to economic growth. We should however enforce laws of speeding. Not through tyrannical measures like this though. You can’t say “I want a DIY culture” but also “it’s unlawful to hack my car”. Pick one. The government has strict ways to make this trade off. Human life is evaluated in dollar amounts. This might make certain emotions running high, but it’s the only way to assess. Otherwise the safest society is no society at all. Practical Engineering channel on YT recently did a video about this.

xnx 3y ago
> Driving and transportation are fundamental to economic growth. Absolutely. Is going 103 mph fundamental to economic growth? I don't think it is.
- deleted 3y ago
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- systemvoltage 3y ago
  Driving in general is. We can argue about specifics, you just made up 103 mph number but that's an acceptable speed on Autobahn. The core argument is: Do we want 0 deaths? If so, what is acceptable number of deaths? And I shed light on how Gov calculates this.
  - xnx 3y ago
    Definitely need to weigh the pros and cons of any change. > you just made up 103 mph number but that's an acceptable speed on Autobahn. That's how fast the car was going in the article, and it was definitely not on the Autobahn or anything like it. I stand that it would be a very sane/reasonable change that vehicles in the us should be limited to 85 mph (the highest posted speed limit on any road).
Volundr 3y ago
> You can’t say “I want a DIY culture” but also “it’s unlawful to hack my car”. Pick one. As far as I can tell from the actual article we are discussing, no one said this. Car mods remain 100% legal. The proposed features even allow speeding without modification.

thomastjeffery 3y ago

No it didn't. Collisions killed those people. As I said elsewhere in this thread.. The weasel word "related" is doing all the heavy lifting here. Speed is constantly and accurately measured. Police love to say accidents are speed related, because that is always technically true; and it lends vain credibility to the most lucrative traffic law. We have a similar problem with scheduled substances.