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If you’re speeding dangerously you know it. What the heck is a warning going to do besides distract the speeding driver?

wnevets 3y ago
That isn't always true, for example I find it too easy to speed in 25MPH zones. This tech also ruins the excuse the driver didn't realize they were speeding, good luck fighting that ticket.
- sirmike_ 3y ago
  They would still have to prove you were the one driving the car.
  - sgift 3y ago
    Doesn't the car owner get the ticket and has to pay if no one else accepts that they drove the car? (That's a serious question. It's how it's done in Germany.)
    - sirmike_ 3y ago
      In my state it’s unconstitutional for automated ticket systems since it can’t be reliably determined who drove the car.
  - wnevets 3y ago
    Pretty sure the cop can figure that out when they ask for your license and registration.
    - sirmike_ 3y ago
      If it’s an old school cop sure! But if it’s an automated system… not so sure
greyface- 3y ago
It'll go in the car's event log and be available for inspection by insurance companies, courts, police, dealerships, etc. Repeat offenders might receive a court order mandating it be switched from 'passive' into 'active' mode, similar to ignition interlock devices today.
- BuyMyBitcoins 3y ago
  This sounds atrocious, I hope it never catches on and that people strongly resist this.
  - nixgeek 3y ago
    Aside from it's a new restriction upon you, why is this atrocious? I can see a safety-related argument that you may need to briefly accelerate to get out of a sticky situation. I cannnot see a safety-related argument wihch says BuyMyBitcoins needs to be allowed to drive 10mph or 20mph above the posted limit for an extended duration of time. I expect ISA in active/enforcing mode is coming, and it's just a question of whether new cars have it in 5 years or in 30 years.
    - ls612 3y ago
      Because the people who support this are also the ones who hate drivers and do crazy things like impose 20mph (30km/h) speed limits in cities on the main roads. The point is to degrade the quality of life and force everyone into public transport slice by slice. But the HN crowd is disproportionately made up of those who think this way. If speed limits were set to the natural safe speed the road was designed for people would be far less cynical about these things.
    - pc86 3y ago
      Maybe the road would be safer (or just as safe but more efficient) with a posted limit 20mph above what it is. But the pearl-clutching mothers of the world can't imagine a scenario where you can drive 50mph on a suburban street without killing half a dozen people so we'll never know.
    - 3y ago
nixgeek 3y ago
Average speed measurements on gantries over motorways in UK seem to do an excellent job at reducing speed to the legal limit, because getting ticketed for going over is a £100 fine and 3 penalty points on your licence. Accrued points take 48 months to expire off your licence and it only takes two tickets (6 points) to lose your licence as a new driver. Experienced drivers are going to lose their licence when they hit 12 points. On top of the £100 fines, insurers all hike their rates for people with points. Cynics will say this is just revenue generation, but it seems to work, and £100 is cheaper than a lot of fines in US jurisdictions.
- nunez 3y ago
  This is how it should be. Drive dangerously? Get summoned appropriately. Instead, in the US, it's up to the states, and many states choose to do nothing or reverse course to play politics (like how TX got rid of, or turned off, their red light cameras a few years ago)
michaelt 3y ago
Yes, in reality 95% of speeding is intentional, 5% is accidental. But of the people who are subject to NTSB investigations? Presumably, having caused a fatal accident, they all claim to be in that 5%. So I imagine according to the NTSB's numbers, loads of speeding is accidental.
wyager 3y ago
They're boiling the frog slowly. The goal is to eventually remove all autonomy from drivers, but they can't do it all at once.

wnevets 3y ago

That isn't always true, for example I find it too easy to speed in 25MPH zones. This tech also ruins the excuse the driver didn't realize they were speeding, good luck fighting that ticket.

sirmike_ 3y ago
They would still have to prove you were the one driving the car.
- sgift 3y ago
  Doesn't the car owner get the ticket and has to pay if no one else accepts that they drove the car? (That's a serious question. It's how it's done in Germany.)
  - sirmike_ 3y ago
    In my state it’s unconstitutional for automated ticket systems since it can’t be reliably determined who drove the car.
- wnevets 3y ago
  Pretty sure the cop can figure that out when they ask for your license and registration.
  - sirmike_ 3y ago
    If it’s an old school cop sure! But if it’s an automated system… not so sure

greyface- 3y ago

It'll go in the car's event log and be available for inspection by insurance companies, courts, police, dealerships, etc. Repeat offenders might receive a court order mandating it be switched from 'passive' into 'active' mode, similar to ignition interlock devices today.

BuyMyBitcoins 3y ago
This sounds atrocious, I hope it never catches on and that people strongly resist this.
- nixgeek 3y ago
  Aside from it's a new restriction upon you, why is this atrocious? I can see a safety-related argument that you may need to briefly accelerate to get out of a sticky situation. I cannnot see a safety-related argument wihch says BuyMyBitcoins needs to be allowed to drive 10mph or 20mph above the posted limit for an extended duration of time. I expect ISA in active/enforcing mode is coming, and it's just a question of whether new cars have it in 5 years or in 30 years.
  - ls612 3y ago
    Because the people who support this are also the ones who hate drivers and do crazy things like impose 20mph (30km/h) speed limits in cities on the main roads. The point is to degrade the quality of life and force everyone into public transport slice by slice. But the HN crowd is disproportionately made up of those who think this way. If speed limits were set to the natural safe speed the road was designed for people would be far less cynical about these things.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Maybe the road would be safer (or just as safe but more efficient) with a posted limit 20mph above what it is. But the pearl-clutching mothers of the world can't imagine a scenario where you can drive 50mph on a suburban street without killing half a dozen people so we'll never know.
  - 3y ago

nixgeek 3y ago

Average speed measurements on gantries over motorways in UK seem to do an excellent job at reducing speed to the legal limit, because getting ticketed for going over is a £100 fine and 3 penalty points on your licence. Accrued points take 48 months to expire off your licence and it only takes two tickets (6 points) to lose your licence as a new driver. Experienced drivers are going to lose their licence when they hit 12 points. On top of the £100 fines, insurers all hike their rates for people with points. Cynics will say this is just revenue generation, but it seems to work, and £100 is cheaper than a lot of fines in US jurisdictions.

nunez 3y ago
This is how it should be. Drive dangerously? Get summoned appropriately. Instead, in the US, it's up to the states, and many states choose to do nothing or reverse course to play politics (like how TX got rid of, or turned off, their red light cameras a few years ago)

michaelt 3y ago

Yes, in reality 95% of speeding is intentional, 5% is accidental. But of the people who are subject to NTSB investigations? Presumably, having caused a fatal accident, they all claim to be in that 5%. So I imagine according to the NTSB's numbers, loads of speeding is accidental.

wyager 3y ago

They're boiling the frog slowly. The goal is to eventually remove all autonomy from drivers, but they can't do it all at once.