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>but they're being fed, housed, and receiving healthcare at taxpayer expense even without opting-in All slaves receive these things. Its in the interest of the

>but they're being fed, housed, and receiving healthcare at taxpayer expense even without opting-in All slaves receive these things. Its in the interest of the slave owner to keep the slaves healthy enough to work. Modern companies shouldn't get a discount by using slave labor. If the prisoner wants to learn a "skill" that is profitable to a company then they should be paid the minimum wage. Its less awful, but I also believe unpaid internships should also be illegal unless they are purely observational. If the intern is contributing in anyway to the profits of the company, they should be paid.

jstarfish 3y ago
> All slaves receive these things. Its in the interest of the slave owner to keep the slaves healthy enough to work. Sure, but unlike slavery, you get the food and housing independent of whether you lift a finger to do any work. The work is optional. It's rewarding if you do it. Working shortens your sentence. Work output never changes one's status as a slave. Articles suggest prisoners who don't opt-in to work programs are penalized at parole hearings. This is a dishonest reframing of parole, something intended to be an earned benefit, not a clearance sale. The system is optimizing for prisoners who have been conditioned/rehabilitated into being functional in society-- the ones paroled demonstrated some willingness to play the same game as civilians, working to get ahead through their labor. They appear to have been broken of their criminal ways, so retaining them is expensive and unnecessary. The ones who insist on avoiding work serve the duration of their actual sentence as proscribed. This is not slavery, it's literally the point of prison. You stay until your term expires or you demonstrate to the parole board that you've changed. > I also believe unpaid internships should also be illegal unless they are purely observational. If the intern is contributing in anyway to the profits of the company, they should be paid. I'd argue unpaid internships are worse. The intern doesn't need to prove any sort of reformation, nor are they being punished for crimes against society. They do not have food and housing provided for them. Not paying them is entirely exploitative.
- landemva 3y ago
  > Work output never changes one's status as a slave. Though what I earn from work does change how much the feds take as their cut. If you don't own the earnings from your labor, you aren't a free person.
filoleg 3y ago
> I also believe unpaid internships should also be illegal unless they are purely observational In the US, it is already illegal, and has been this way for a while. The enforcement in practice is another story though. Here[0] is the source with all nitty gritty, but a simplified tldr is that unless an intern’s output during the internship is not making money for the company and is pretty much purely an educational venture, the intern gotta get paid at least the minimum wage. 0. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-interns...

jstarfish 3y ago

> All slaves receive these things. Its in the interest of the slave owner to keep the slaves healthy enough to work. Sure, but unlike slavery, you get the food and housing independent of whether you lift a finger to do any work. The work is optional. It's rewarding if you do it. Working shortens your sentence. Work output never changes one's status as a slave. Articles suggest prisoners who don't opt-in to work programs are penalized at parole hearings. This is a dishonest reframing of parole, something intended to be an earned benefit, not a clearance sale. The system is optimizing for prisoners who have been conditioned/rehabilitated into being functional in society-- the ones paroled demonstrated some willingness to play the same game as civilians, working to get ahead through their labor. They appear to have been broken of their criminal ways, so retaining them is expensive and unnecessary. The ones who insist on avoiding work serve the duration of their actual sentence as proscribed. This is not slavery, it's literally the point of prison. You stay until your term expires or you demonstrate to the parole board that you've changed. > I also believe unpaid internships should also be illegal unless they are purely observational. If the intern is contributing in anyway to the profits of the company, they should be paid. I'd argue unpaid internships are worse. The intern doesn't need to prove any sort of reformation, nor are they being punished for crimes against society. They do not have food and housing provided for them. Not paying them is entirely exploitative.

landemva 3y ago
> Work output never changes one's status as a slave. Though what I earn from work does change how much the feds take as their cut. If you don't own the earnings from your labor, you aren't a free person.

filoleg 3y ago

> I also believe unpaid internships should also be illegal unless they are purely observational In the US, it is already illegal, and has been this way for a while. The enforcement in practice is another story though. Here[0] is the source with all nitty gritty, but a simplified tldr is that unless an intern’s output during the internship is not making money for the company and is pretty much purely an educational venture, the intern gotta get paid at least the minimum wage. 0. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-interns...