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Similar to the old Slashdot days, HN is still plagued with just outright anti-Microsoft people under any circumstance, even in cases where there is no justifica

Similar to the old Slashdot days, HN is still plagued with just outright anti-Microsoft people under any circumstance, even in cases where there is no justification.

jiggawatts 3y ago
A more recent thing is just pretending Microsoft (and especially Azure) doesn’t even exist. If pressed, sure, people will admit that these may not be entirely imaginary entities, but if listing technologies or platforms then “oops” they’ll just forget. The best example I saw was a “poster” of cloud big data technologies. Started with Amazon S3, went through Google Bigtable, and then in the corners had companies so small that their own marketing page is the only search result. No mention of Azure anywhere. There were dozens of logos on that page representing companies with annual revenues smaller than what one my customers spent on a single Azure Storage Account by accident.
- dboreham 3y ago
  Meanwhile they're all committing code to github and pulling packages from npmjs.
  - justahuman74 3y ago
    If often wondered if microsoft should rebrand the entire company to github
    - pbronez 3y ago
      They’re tiptoeing that way with the “copilot” branding. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/bing-chat-is-now-microsoft-copilot-in-potentially-confusing-rebranding-move/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/bing-...
- doublepg23 3y ago
  If developers are going out of their way to forget about Microsoft that seems like Microsoft's failing.
  - thereisnospork 3y ago
    Not like Microsoft has ever made actively hostile design choices over and over again with it's namesake product or anything...
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >If developers are going out of their way to forget about Microsoft that seems like Microsoft's failing. Meh, the world of developers as a profession, is much bigger than some angry activists on Twitter and HN smelling their own farts in their echo-chambers and venting on their blog. HN also likes to forget that enterprise also exists. And that IBM or SAP exist. Or that most of the tech that makes the world go round is very outdated and not the latest hip cool stacks from the start-up world. Sometimes it's just another echo chamber where people prioritize emotions and feelings over facts.
    - doublepg23 3y ago
      The term I hear used Jupiter Broadcasting's Coder Radio is "dark matter developers" - imagine 9-5 Java 8 guys. However, I don't think HN forgets they exist, I think a lot of HN users are those enterprise people who want to use better tools.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >imagine 9-5 Java 8 guys That's like >90% of SW developers in the world.
- wmf 3y ago
  After multiple cross-tenant vulnerabilities I'm certainly in the "never Azure" camp.
- bob1029 3y ago
  It is impressive to me the amount of time others are willing to spend in order to avoid even considering what is arguably the cleanest, most business-friendly stack in 2023. You can do everything with one vendor, and some customers really love that. Ours certainly do. They don't even bother trying to audit us along those lines anymore. We make it as simple as possible at every level. Offering a successful B2B SaaS experience is more about the biz interactions and less about the nerd crap. If you found a way to make your internal tech more important than the biz, you likely have a problem. Every time we talk about databases, I do a CTRL+F and check for 2 things: Is SQLite covered and are we being assholes about SQL Server for no good reason. SQLite gets a good rap on HN, so I more often prioritize awareness around the red-headed stepchild of RDBMS. Their hyperscale offering is end-game for 99.99% of business use cases. I always end up at "How much money, time and frustration are your principles worth?"
  - mike_d 3y ago
    > It is impressive to me the amount of time others are willing to spend in order to avoid even considering what is arguably the cleanest, most business-friendly stack in 2023. This is totally correct if you are doing small scale stuff in the cloud or just random "enterprise" for sub-thousand person companies. Azure is playing a distant third in reliability, maybe even fourth behind Alibaba.
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    > You can do everything with one vendor, and some customers really love that. Ours certainly do. HN probably leans towards people who build things with the cloud, whereas it sounds like your customers are people who want to pay people to run things in the cloud for them.

Similar to the old Slashdot days, HN is still plagued with just outright anti-Microsoft people under any circumstance, even in cases where there is no justification.

jiggawatts 3y ago

A more recent thing is just pretending Microsoft (and especially Azure) doesn’t even exist. If pressed, sure, people will admit that these may not be entirely imaginary entities, but if listing technologies or platforms then “oops” they’ll just forget. The best example I saw was a “poster” of cloud big data technologies. Started with Amazon S3, went through Google Bigtable, and then in the corners had companies so small that their own marketing page is the only search result. No mention of Azure anywhere. There were dozens of logos on that page representing companies with annual revenues smaller than what one my customers spent on a single Azure Storage Account by accident.

dboreham 3y ago
Meanwhile they're all committing code to github and pulling packages from npmjs.
- justahuman74 3y ago
  If often wondered if microsoft should rebrand the entire company to github
  - pbronez 3y ago
    They’re tiptoeing that way with the “copilot” branding. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/bing-chat-is-now-microsoft-copilot-in-potentially-confusing-rebranding-move/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/bing-...
doublepg23 3y ago
If developers are going out of their way to forget about Microsoft that seems like Microsoft's failing.
- thereisnospork 3y ago
  Not like Microsoft has ever made actively hostile design choices over and over again with it's namesake product or anything...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >If developers are going out of their way to forget about Microsoft that seems like Microsoft's failing. Meh, the world of developers as a profession, is much bigger than some angry activists on Twitter and HN smelling their own farts in their echo-chambers and venting on their blog. HN also likes to forget that enterprise also exists. And that IBM or SAP exist. Or that most of the tech that makes the world go round is very outdated and not the latest hip cool stacks from the start-up world. Sometimes it's just another echo chamber where people prioritize emotions and feelings over facts.
  - doublepg23 3y ago
    The term I hear used Jupiter Broadcasting's Coder Radio is "dark matter developers" - imagine 9-5 Java 8 guys. However, I don't think HN forgets they exist, I think a lot of HN users are those enterprise people who want to use better tools.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >imagine 9-5 Java 8 guys That's like >90% of SW developers in the world.
wmf 3y ago
After multiple cross-tenant vulnerabilities I'm certainly in the "never Azure" camp.
bob1029 3y ago
It is impressive to me the amount of time others are willing to spend in order to avoid even considering what is arguably the cleanest, most business-friendly stack in 2023. You can do everything with one vendor, and some customers really love that. Ours certainly do. They don't even bother trying to audit us along those lines anymore. We make it as simple as possible at every level. Offering a successful B2B SaaS experience is more about the biz interactions and less about the nerd crap. If you found a way to make your internal tech more important than the biz, you likely have a problem. Every time we talk about databases, I do a CTRL+F and check for 2 things: Is SQLite covered and are we being assholes about SQL Server for no good reason. SQLite gets a good rap on HN, so I more often prioritize awareness around the red-headed stepchild of RDBMS. Their hyperscale offering is end-game for 99.99% of business use cases. I always end up at "How much money, time and frustration are your principles worth?"
- mike_d 3y ago
  > It is impressive to me the amount of time others are willing to spend in order to avoid even considering what is arguably the cleanest, most business-friendly stack in 2023. This is totally correct if you are doing small scale stuff in the cloud or just random "enterprise" for sub-thousand person companies. Azure is playing a distant third in reliability, maybe even fourth behind Alibaba.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  > You can do everything with one vendor, and some customers really love that. Ours certainly do. HN probably leans towards people who build things with the cloud, whereas it sounds like your customers are people who want to pay people to run things in the cloud for them.