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The inferior product here is Apple's iMessage. Apple is using decades old technology (SMS, introduced in 1992) to poorly pass messages with Android devices over

The inferior product here is Apple's iMessage. Apple is using decades old technology (SMS, introduced in 1992) to poorly pass messages with Android devices over cell service. They could update iMessage to use RCS and alleviate a lot of the green bubble issues without "opening up their ecosystem" (whatever that means). Instead, Apple has chosen not to update iMessage because the poor experience they are creating for their own users makes their users believe that messaging on iPhone is superior to Android. Which it obviously isn't, you just have to look at any other messaging app like Telegram that runs circles around iMessage. If Apple actually cared about this "ecosystem", they should just stop supporting SMS messaging all together, and have it so iMessage users can only communicate with other iMessage users.

joshmanders 3y ago
> The inferior product here is Apple's iMessage. Yet ya'll want them to open up iMessage for Android users. Sure sure sure sure sure. > Instead, Apple has chosen not to update iMessage because the poor experience they are creating for their own users makes their users believe that messaging on iPhone is superior to Android. Again, if you knew anything of the reason people "look down on you for having green bubbles" it's not about SMS, but about not having the extra goodies that people enjoy with iMessage when communicating with you. > you just have to look at any other messaging app like Telegram that runs circles around iMessage. Then whats the problem? Don't want to use iMessage then start your chats with your friends on Telegram, it's available on all platforms including iOS. Oh yeah nobody wants to use Telegram even though it apparently "runs circles around iMessage" > If Apple actually cared about this "ecosystem", they should just stop supporting SMS messaging all together, and have it so iMessage users can only communicate with other iMessage users. So nothing changes other than to send an SMS to non iMessage users they change to a different app? That is absurb and a terrible UX.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  > Yet ya'll want them to open up iMessage for Android users. Sure sure sure sure sure. Where did they say this? > Again, if you knew anything of the reason people "look down on you for having green bubbles" it's not about SMS, but about not having the extra goodies that people enjoy with iMessage when communicating with you. RCS supports the features iMessage users complain most commonly green bubbles lack. In other words most complaints about green bubbles are about SMS. > Oh yeah nobody wants to use Telegram even though it apparently "runs circles around iMessage" I don't think Telegram runs circles around iMessage. But probably some of Telegram's 700 million monthly active users like it. > Then whats the problem? Don't want to use iMessage then start your chats with your friends on Telegram, it's available on all platforms including iOS. > So nothing changes other than to send an SMS to non iMessage users they change to a different app? That is absurb and a terrible UX. You answered your own question. iOS restricts SMS to the Messages app.
thefz 3y ago
> If Apple actually cared about this "ecosystem" Hate to break it to you, but history has proven many, many times that all Apple cares about is separating you from your money.
- joshmanders 3y ago
  Show me a for profit company, including your favorite device manufacturer who doesn't want the same thing. I'll wait here.

joshmanders 3y ago

> The inferior product here is Apple's iMessage. Yet ya'll want them to open up iMessage for Android users. Sure sure sure sure sure. > Instead, Apple has chosen not to update iMessage because the poor experience they are creating for their own users makes their users believe that messaging on iPhone is superior to Android. Again, if you knew anything of the reason people "look down on you for having green bubbles" it's not about SMS, but about not having the extra goodies that people enjoy with iMessage when communicating with you. > you just have to look at any other messaging app like Telegram that runs circles around iMessage. Then whats the problem? Don't want to use iMessage then start your chats with your friends on Telegram, it's available on all platforms including iOS. Oh yeah nobody wants to use Telegram even though it apparently "runs circles around iMessage" > If Apple actually cared about this "ecosystem", they should just stop supporting SMS messaging all together, and have it so iMessage users can only communicate with other iMessage users. So nothing changes other than to send an SMS to non iMessage users they change to a different app? That is absurb and a terrible UX.

pseudalopex 3y ago
> Yet ya'll want them to open up iMessage for Android users. Sure sure sure sure sure. Where did they say this? > Again, if you knew anything of the reason people "look down on you for having green bubbles" it's not about SMS, but about not having the extra goodies that people enjoy with iMessage when communicating with you. RCS supports the features iMessage users complain most commonly green bubbles lack. In other words most complaints about green bubbles are about SMS. > Oh yeah nobody wants to use Telegram even though it apparently "runs circles around iMessage" I don't think Telegram runs circles around iMessage. But probably some of Telegram's 700 million monthly active users like it. > Then whats the problem? Don't want to use iMessage then start your chats with your friends on Telegram, it's available on all platforms including iOS. > So nothing changes other than to send an SMS to non iMessage users they change to a different app? That is absurb and a terrible UX. You answered your own question. iOS restricts SMS to the Messages app.

thefz 3y ago

> If Apple actually cared about this "ecosystem" Hate to break it to you, but history has proven many, many times that all Apple cares about is separating you from your money.

joshmanders 3y ago
Show me a for profit company, including your favorite device manufacturer who doesn't want the same thing. I'll wait here.