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> I could understand the basis for climate change if I took enough time out of work and family and did my research. > With religious truths, on the other hand,
by lo_zamoyski 3y ago
> I could understand the basis for climate change if I took enough time out of work and family and did my research.
> With religious truths, on the other hand, investigations reach a dead end with "this is simply a matter of faith" or "you just have to feel this to believe it".
No religion worth its salt would ever present a proposition, point blank (e.g., the divinity of Christ[2]) and then claim you are required to believe it just because, or because "feelings". That is merely a caricature, a straw man, and if that were the case, then you could easily ask why this particular belief? Why not what the guys down the street are selling? New Age is big on feelings, a grand synthesis (read: hodge-podge) of superstition, so why not them? Why not the various kooky ideologies springing up in our times, nearly all of which follow the same gnosticizing script, with the added aggression and bullying they deploy when demanding you believe their claims simply because they make them. Certainly, there are some traditionally religious people who say the kinds of things you say about faith, today perhaps especially in the US, but it is neither wise nor charitable to judge a faith by the flaws of its weakest professors. And not only that, but not all faiths are the same. Not all faiths are actually faith, that is, rational faith.
Now, because faith is a kind of trust, a kind of uncertainty does enter the picture. But legitimate trust is not irrational, and so genuine faith is not irrational, and indeed, all men have faith; your distinction is not as profound as you may think, though certainly there are distinctions to be made and a certain diversity of methods ought to be considered (historical vs. empirical, for instance). Methodology is an important thing to bear in mind, specifically when recognizing, that rationality and modern, empirical science are not identical. This is the error of scientism, one easily refuted by the observation, that the claim that equates the two is not itself a scientific claim.
John Newman[0], for example talks about how the aforementioned assent can take place, and here is an article[1] that gives a brief summary. But a look at, say, the robust tradition of Catholic apologetic scholarship will certainly show, that this faith not only respects reason, but in doing so, proceeds from it. It goes where reason leads and takes off where human rationality is too feeble or circumstantially constrained to continue. There must be warrant, and reason and authentic faith cannot contradict. So here, too, you could, in principle, also do you own apologetic and theological and philosophical research and come to certain conclusions, just as you could, in principle, if not in practice, do your own empirical or historical research or whatever.
[0] https://www.newmanreader.org/works/grammar/index.html https://www.newmanreader.org/works/grammar/index.html
[1] https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm
[2] https://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/christ-divinity.htm https://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/christ-divinity.htm
- n4r9 3y agoI guess my point is that faith necessarily involves a step that cannot be made by observation, deduction, or probabilistic reasoning. You can call this step "trust" if you like, but it seems disingenuous to compare it with mundane trust, such as trusting that your taxi driver has a driver's license, or trusting that the sun is a certain distance from the earth (as per your second link). These mundane trusts can in principle be verified, or at least are falsifiable. I know that I can ring up the taxi company and ask them to send me a copy of the license, and cross-check it with government records. I know that I can perform my own observations and reasoning to convince myself of the distance of the sun from the earth. I do not know that I can do this for claims such as "Jesus is the son of God".
- n4r9 3y agoI got around to looking at your final link re "Divinity of Christ". Is this author (or indeed CS Lewis) what you would refer to as one of the stronger professors of Christianity? Lewis's trilemma argument is one of the starkest examples of Christian apologists' failure to perform disinterested reasoning. Firstly, "liar, lord or lunatic" are not the only options. William Lane Craig suggests several plausible alternatives such as "Jesus was deluded with respect to the specific issue of his own divinity while his faculties of moral reasoning remained intact". Secondly, Jesus never claimed to be divine in the first place. The earlier gospels and the writings of Paul do not mention it. It's not until decades later that the Gospel of John talks about it. Thirdly, even if those were the options and Jesus did claim to be divine, the evidence for "lord" is lacking. Especially considering the rule that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Human culture is rife with examples of narcissists, psychopaths and tricksters who convinced large numbers of people of their wisdom, compassion and intelligence. Some of them get "found out", some do not. Jesus may be one of the latter. Reading the gospels hasn't convinced me otherwise. Ironically, Peter Kreefts argues exactly by appealing to feelings: "The savviness, the canniness, the human wisdom, the attractiveness of Jesus emerge from the Gospels with unavoidable force to any but the most hardened and prejudiced reader."