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There are cultures across the world that are vegetarian or almost-vegans. For instance, Jainism [1] is a thousands of years old religion in India, and they are

There are cultures across the world that are vegetarian or almost-vegans. For instance, Jainism [1] is a thousands of years old religion in India, and they are dairy-only vegetarians. Obviously, for most of its history, adherents ate only food that was locally grown. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism

dundarious 3y ago
There are/were groups eating near-vegan diets for non-ideological reasons also. For example, the pre-modern Okinawan diet was mostly vegetables, some grains and soy products, and very little (~2%) meat (including seafood). No dairy or oils, AFAIK. And those eating that way are/were a notably healthy population.
- InitialLastName 3y ago
  > some grains and soy products So, to the ancestor's point: Not just vegetables, but higher caloric-density grains.
  - dundarious 3y ago
    > Can you sustain yourself eating only vegetables? Modern vegan diets work because we have heavily processed oils and grains, and a variety of supplements. I don't think a human could live long just munching vegetables that aren't cooked with oil. I think the "heavily processed oils and grains, and a variety of supplements" part was also important to their point, and that's what I was disputing and qualifying. And their assertion about "modern" vegan diets and my reference to "pre-modern" Okinawan diets is not really a contradiction either. You can easily eat the "pre-modern" Okinawan diet in Okinawa today (and in other places with grocery stores). I'm using pre-modern very loosely to indicate it is not the most common contemporary diet. Many dietary patterns across the world have Westernized/"modernized" (and as a result, many, though by no means all, have become less healthy).
- JCharante 3y ago
  Wait but why? Okinawa has a Hawaii like climate, aka seems perfect for fishing year-round.
lgkk 3y ago
I’m a vegan Hindu person. I do take a multi vitamin, but I’m not a body builder and not an athlete. I get maybe 100g protein a day which I think is fine. I eat dal daily for lunch and dinner is usually something fun with veggies like chili or tofu or curries etc. I also drink a loaded smoothie that’s got fruits and herbs and nuts and oats. Got enough energy to go up any hill in SF and not feel exhausted lol. Honestly feels great and my blood test comes back okay each time. The only issue is when I’m away from home my options is basically Chipotle.

dundarious 3y ago

There are/were groups eating near-vegan diets for non-ideological reasons also. For example, the pre-modern Okinawan diet was mostly vegetables, some grains and soy products, and very little (~2%) meat (including seafood). No dairy or oils, AFAIK. And those eating that way are/were a notably healthy population.

InitialLastName 3y ago
> some grains and soy products So, to the ancestor's point: Not just vegetables, but higher caloric-density grains.
- dundarious 3y ago
  > Can you sustain yourself eating only vegetables? Modern vegan diets work because we have heavily processed oils and grains, and a variety of supplements. I don't think a human could live long just munching vegetables that aren't cooked with oil. I think the "heavily processed oils and grains, and a variety of supplements" part was also important to their point, and that's what I was disputing and qualifying. And their assertion about "modern" vegan diets and my reference to "pre-modern" Okinawan diets is not really a contradiction either. You can easily eat the "pre-modern" Okinawan diet in Okinawa today (and in other places with grocery stores). I'm using pre-modern very loosely to indicate it is not the most common contemporary diet. Many dietary patterns across the world have Westernized/"modernized" (and as a result, many, though by no means all, have become less healthy).
JCharante 3y ago
Wait but why? Okinawa has a Hawaii like climate, aka seems perfect for fishing year-round.

lgkk 3y ago

I’m a vegan Hindu person. I do take a multi vitamin, but I’m not a body builder and not an athlete. I get maybe 100g protein a day which I think is fine. I eat dal daily for lunch and dinner is usually something fun with veggies like chili or tofu or curries etc. I also drink a loaded smoothie that’s got fruits and herbs and nuts and oats. Got enough energy to go up any hill in SF and not feel exhausted lol. Honestly feels great and my blood test comes back okay each time. The only issue is when I’m away from home my options is basically Chipotle.