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I can understand why a person might commit an act of abuse. Anger, fetish, frustration it all makes a sort of sense, but what I cannot comprehend is why leaders

I can understand why a person might commit an act of abuse. Anger, fetish, frustration it all makes a sort of sense, but what I cannot comprehend is why leadership was actively preventing investigations and sanctions. It makes no sense unless it is a criminal organization profiting off of the abuse. These people need consequences.

cool_dude85 3y ago
Why would I try to investigate or sanction anyone? Get up off my ass, spend my limited money, just to make myself look like a bad boss?
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Leadership are abusers too and none of them want any more scrutiny at their facility. The entire motivation for the prison system is sadistic and the people involved don’t care about the human beings locked inside.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
It is an organization, by definition. It's a unit of government. This organization has revenue (budgeted to it). If they perform poorly, the budget might be lowered next year. More correctly, if they are perceived to perform poorly, their budget drops. But they were in control of the mechanisms by which their performance is perceived. > These people need consequences. If you put people (individually or as a group) into an unpleasant circumstance, and demand performance from them at odds with the unpleasantness of the circumstance, you run into a problem. You're no longer able to insist they experience consequences for failure. When you attempt that, if they're allowed to quit, they just quit. And I know you weren't suggesting we press them into slavery. Consequences only work when they have no leverage.
- ilovetux 3y ago
  I am not talking about consequences for failure. I am talking about consequences for crimes. Let them quit. They were trying to fire them anyway. They shouldn't even have their jobs at this point anyway...they should be in prison.
kwere 3y ago
its Illinois, a state with a crazy history of mob-like instituzionalized corruption.

cool_dude85 3y ago

Why would I try to investigate or sanction anyone? Get up off my ass, spend my limited money, just to make myself look like a bad boss?

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

Leadership are abusers too and none of them want any more scrutiny at their facility. The entire motivation for the prison system is sadistic and the people involved don’t care about the human beings locked inside.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

It is an organization, by definition. It's a unit of government. This organization has revenue (budgeted to it). If they perform poorly, the budget might be lowered next year. More correctly, if they are perceived to perform poorly, their budget drops. But they were in control of the mechanisms by which their performance is perceived. > These people need consequences. If you put people (individually or as a group) into an unpleasant circumstance, and demand performance from them at odds with the unpleasantness of the circumstance, you run into a problem. You're no longer able to insist they experience consequences for failure. When you attempt that, if they're allowed to quit, they just quit. And I know you weren't suggesting we press them into slavery. Consequences only work when they have no leverage.

ilovetux 3y ago
I am not talking about consequences for failure. I am talking about consequences for crimes. Let them quit. They were trying to fire them anyway. They shouldn't even have their jobs at this point anyway...they should be in prison.

kwere 3y ago

its Illinois, a state with a crazy history of mob-like instituzionalized corruption.