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I currently have a 12th Gen Intel Framework. How much of an improvement in everyday use do you see?

by xd1936 3y ago

starkparker 3y ago
Most of the improvement is in gaming and GPU-intensive work, which is why I upgraded. Baldur's Gate 3 via Steam/Proton at 1240p went from ~30 fps with settings cranked down on Intel to 40-60 at high/ultra. I didn't upgrade the battery and the battery life is similar (as in, not great; about 4-5 hours of coding while occasionally maxing all cores, 2 hours or less of sustained gaming), but it's also hard to judge because of all the power/wake problems while in sleep. I've gotten in the habit of just shutting it down instead. Blender was "usable" on Intel but I can work comfortably with much bigger scenes on the AMD board. I had 32GB RAM on both boards, going from DDR4 to DDR5 by necessity. Anecdotally, non-GPU single/multi-core stuff (for me, typically GIS-related functions) feels better but not by as huge of a leap.
- kelnos 3y ago
  Wow, that's fantastic. I have the 12th-gen board (bought it, along with the full Framework laptop, when they started offering it), and gaming perf is ok for what I play, but not great. There are a few other issues (like severe spurious thermal throttling) that make gaming even harder (not great to be playing a FPS and suddenly all 20 cores are locked to 400MHz and stay that way for 15 minutes for no reason). I get shit battery life (~3 hours), probably because I have 30 Firefox windows open with a total of 2k tabs or so (my fault, I should clean it up), so at least one core is at 25% or so all the time, or worse. And of course compiling things or watching video drags that down real fast. I can't justify another upgrade after having this one for only a year (especially since I'll need new RAM), but maybe I'll think about an AMD board in 2025 or so.
  - starkparker 3y ago
    It still won't replace my 2021 ROG G14 with a RTX 3060 and Win11 as my "main gaming" laptop, but it's very nice when I'm traveling to use the same laptop for work and play. Slower strategy games like BG3 on a high-res 3:2 display are a revelation, too, when the UI adapts well.
- abdullahkhalids 3y ago
  What is the source of these sleep problems? I don't understand why they still haven't been fixed.
  - starkparker 3y ago
    As of a couple weeks ago a wakeup hack in the embedded controller that triggers wake with dummy keystrokes on lid events and AC connection was the suspect: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-7040-series-lid-wakeup-behavior-feedback/39128/44 https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-... > When we go from S0i3 to S0ix, the EC will send some dummy key presses to the host so the keyboard will keep working. This may cause the host to wake up to screen on, and stay there. Which is what spawned the udev workarounds of just disabling wake-on-keyboard altogether, which solves for both the lid and AC connection incorrectly waking from sleep. Which is onerous because wake-on-keyboard is a pretty common thing to want enabled on a laptop! It's not the end of the world, just another "yeah, I'm using Linux" moment.

I currently have a 12th Gen Intel Framework. How much of an improvement in everyday use do you see?

by xd1936 3y ago

I currently have a 12th Gen Intel Framework. How much of an improvement in everyday use do you see?

Most of the improvement is in gaming and GPU-intensive work, which is why I upgraded. Baldur's Gate 3 via Steam/Proton at 1240p went from ~30 fps with settings cranked down on Intel to 40-60 at high/ultra. I didn't upgrade the battery and the battery life is similar (as in, not great; about 4-5 hours of coding while occasionally maxing all cores, 2 hours or less of sustained gaming), but it's also hard to judge because of all the power/wake problems while in sleep. I've gotten in the habit of just shutting it down instead. Blender was "usable" on Intel but I can work comfortably with much bigger scenes on the AMD board. I had 32GB RAM on both boards, going from DDR4 to DDR5 by necessity. Anecdotally, non-GPU single/multi-core stuff (for me, typically GIS-related functions) feels better but not by as huge of a leap.

kelnos 3y ago
Wow, that's fantastic. I have the 12th-gen board (bought it, along with the full Framework laptop, when they started offering it), and gaming perf is ok for what I play, but not great. There are a few other issues (like severe spurious thermal throttling) that make gaming even harder (not great to be playing a FPS and suddenly all 20 cores are locked to 400MHz and stay that way for 15 minutes for no reason). I get shit battery life (~3 hours), probably because I have 30 Firefox windows open with a total of 2k tabs or so (my fault, I should clean it up), so at least one core is at 25% or so all the time, or worse. And of course compiling things or watching video drags that down real fast. I can't justify another upgrade after having this one for only a year (especially since I'll need new RAM), but maybe I'll think about an AMD board in 2025 or so.
- starkparker 3y ago
  It still won't replace my 2021 ROG G14 with a RTX 3060 and Win11 as my "main gaming" laptop, but it's very nice when I'm traveling to use the same laptop for work and play. Slower strategy games like BG3 on a high-res 3:2 display are a revelation, too, when the UI adapts well.
abdullahkhalids 3y ago
What is the source of these sleep problems? I don't understand why they still haven't been fixed.
- starkparker 3y ago
  As of a couple weeks ago a wakeup hack in the embedded controller that triggers wake with dummy keystrokes on lid events and AC connection was the suspect: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-7040-series-lid-wakeup-behavior-feedback/39128/44 https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-... > When we go from S0i3 to S0ix, the EC will send some dummy key presses to the host so the keyboard will keep working. This may cause the host to wake up to screen on, and stay there. Which is what spawned the udev workarounds of just disabling wake-on-keyboard altogether, which solves for both the lid and AC connection incorrectly waking from sleep. Which is onerous because wake-on-keyboard is a pretty common thing to want enabled on a laptop! It's not the end of the world, just another "yeah, I'm using Linux" moment.