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I appreciate the humor. But in case there is a misconception at the root of this quip, I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page a

I appreciate the humor. But in case there is a misconception at the root of this quip, I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page are on the page owners, not the EU or the GDPR. Nowhere does the GDPR mandate popup banners. Banners are just the lazy answer to a very people-friendly law by an economy addicted to surveillance.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
> I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page are on the page owners, not the EU or the GDPR. Nowhere does the GDPR mandate popup banners.I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page are on the page owners, not the EU or the GDPR. Nowhere does the GDPR mandate popup banners. The GDPR requires notification and consent if a website uses cookies or collects information, right? Seems like a banner is the best way to approach that, so it is kind of mandated indirectly.
- Propelloni 3y ago
  No, "uses cookies or collects information" is too blanket a statement. The GDPR allows the collection and use of data on six lawful grounds. Five of those do not require consent or even notification. In fact, "consent" is the six justification. Contractual obligations, legal obligations, vital interests, public tasks, and legitimate interests do not require consent. You ask for consent if you collect data you have no legitimate reason to collect in the first place. This should already tell you a lot about those pesky banners. The GDPR "homepage" [1] has a ton of information with regards to this topic. Don't be fooled by those who blame your shitty web browsing experience on the GDPR. It's on them, not the GDPR. [1] https://gdpr.eu/ https://gdpr.eu/
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    Your argument is that types of data collection don't require notification. But most of the sites that have the banner are engaging in types of collection that do require notification, hence the banners. You might not like the business practices of these websites, but it's their business practices and they are legal. And if they want to continue doing them, then they do need the banners, which are dictated by GDPR.
    - Propelloni 3y ago
      Yes, if you want to collect, store, and use data that you have no legitimate reason (to be clear, in the scope of the GDPR) to collect, you need the consent of the owner of the data. That's what the GDPR says. How you get the consent is up to you. The GDPR does not mandate any specific method, banners or otherwise.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Right, so we're agreed most of the websites that show a banner need to show a banner or equivalent to obtain consent because they are collecting data that the GDPR requires they gain consent to collect. In that case then, a banner is the best and least intrusive way to do that, given the alternative is a popup or redirect. Thus, for many of these sites, the GDPR does directly mandate the banners.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

> I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page are on the page owners, not the EU or the GDPR. Nowhere does the GDPR mandate popup banners.I still have to point out that the annoying popup banners on every page are on the page owners, not the EU or the GDPR. Nowhere does the GDPR mandate popup banners. The GDPR requires notification and consent if a website uses cookies or collects information, right? Seems like a banner is the best way to approach that, so it is kind of mandated indirectly.

Propelloni 3y ago
No, "uses cookies or collects information" is too blanket a statement. The GDPR allows the collection and use of data on six lawful grounds. Five of those do not require consent or even notification. In fact, "consent" is the six justification. Contractual obligations, legal obligations, vital interests, public tasks, and legitimate interests do not require consent. You ask for consent if you collect data you have no legitimate reason to collect in the first place. This should already tell you a lot about those pesky banners. The GDPR "homepage" [1] has a ton of information with regards to this topic. Don't be fooled by those who blame your shitty web browsing experience on the GDPR. It's on them, not the GDPR. [1] https://gdpr.eu/ https://gdpr.eu/
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Your argument is that types of data collection don't require notification. But most of the sites that have the banner are engaging in types of collection that do require notification, hence the banners. You might not like the business practices of these websites, but it's their business practices and they are legal. And if they want to continue doing them, then they do need the banners, which are dictated by GDPR.
  - Propelloni 3y ago
    Yes, if you want to collect, store, and use data that you have no legitimate reason (to be clear, in the scope of the GDPR) to collect, you need the consent of the owner of the data. That's what the GDPR says. How you get the consent is up to you. The GDPR does not mandate any specific method, banners or otherwise.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      Right, so we're agreed most of the websites that show a banner need to show a banner or equivalent to obtain consent because they are collecting data that the GDPR requires they gain consent to collect. In that case then, a banner is the best and least intrusive way to do that, given the alternative is a popup or redirect. Thus, for many of these sites, the GDPR does directly mandate the banners.