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The dog didn't scratch her, it bit her in the face. And she didn't even grab the dogs tail, she just startled it.

by fein 3y ago

Toutouxc 3y ago
Yes, dogs can startle too. As far as we know, there is nothing wrong with the dog.
- lazide 3y ago
  As far as they saw (and based on their decisions), there was. Not our circus, not our problem.
  - Toutouxc 3y ago
    Yeah, but this is not someone burning their garden furniture because their kid fell from it. They’re deciding to kill a living thing because it got startled once.
    - lazide 3y ago
      They decided to kill (euthanize) an animal with a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans. Humans they had a duty to protect. I’ve been around dogs for 4 decades, I’ve never seen one bite a child’s face. Even ones that really, really would have deserved it. Could it happen? Sure. However, I have seen dogs that were deranged and dangerous to themselves and others bite people before, and owners try to defend them as being okay though. Multiple times. One the police had to put down after its 4th attack on an innocent bystander, while the owner cried and blamed the police.
      - pdonis 3y ago
        > a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans One incident, in which the human was arguably at least partly at fault (and in which the adult humans who run the house are at fault--see below), is not "a history". The article says they have had the dog for six years. And now they want to euthanize him over one incident, in which the kid turned out to be OK? That's not something I would even think of. They should be thinking about how to help the dog coexist with their kid--and asking themselves why they weren't thinking about that before they brought the kid into their household that already had the dog. At the very most, if they are simply incapable of managing both the dog and the kid, they should be looking for another owner to take the dog. Killing the dog should not be on the table at all. (Frankly, I would question the competence of a vet that would agree to euthanize a pet for this, instead of advising the people to find another owner if they can't work it out themselves. Every vet we have had has told us explicitly that they never recommend euthanasia except as an absolute last resort for a pet that is terminally ill and suffering. We would stop taking our dogs to any vet that said otherwise.)
        lazide 3y ago
        Welcome to reality. Entirely within their rights to do, regardless of how you feel about it. Once is a history, when it’s bad enough. If someone was arrested for beating their spouse, you’d have no issues saying they had a ‘history of domestic violence’, no? And plenty of folks would argue they would be irresponsible and abusive to their kid to not do it. Maybe there would be better ways to handle it, maybe not. Maybe there were things they could have done to prevent it (probably), maybe not. Not our circus, not our problem.
        RhysU 3y ago
        I would not want to be the owner who had a second kid injured from one specific animal. Fool me once, twice, etc. Guilt aside, the civil liability from a second potential attack (for any owner) can be family destroying.
        pdonis 3y ago
        > I would not want to be the owner who had a second kid injured from one specific animal. Fool me once, twice, etc. If they are really worried about their kid, they can find the dog another home. Either a friend or neighbor, or take him to a shelter. Not kill him. As for "fool me", they were the ones who fooled the dog, by having him in their home for six years and gaining his trust, and then proposing to kill him over something that was really their fault. Bringing a kid into a home where a dog already lives is, as I have already pointed out elsewhere in this thread, stressful for a dog no matter what breed. It was their responsibility to manage that situation. They failed. And now they want the dog to pay for their mistake.
        RhysU 3y ago
        > If they are really worried about their kid, they can find the dog another home. Right! They should transfer the liability to someone else! So that new, possibly unaware owner can get their pants sued off if the dog attacks someone in the future with a demonstrable past of injuring people. Clearly, risking the financial well-being of the new owner and a possible future second child's life is the compassionate, responsible choice. /s I love dogs. I own one, and I will rub her belly in 15 minutes when I get home. But if she went apeshit on a kid I would thank the stars for the umbrella policy we carry. Then I would euthanize my dog.

The dog didn't scratch her, it bit her in the face. And she didn't even grab the dogs tail, she just startled it.

by fein 3y ago

The dog didn't scratch her, it bit her in the face. And she didn't even grab the dogs tail, she just startled it.

Toutouxc 3y ago

Yes, dogs can startle too. As far as we know, there is nothing wrong with the dog.

lazide 3y ago
As far as they saw (and based on their decisions), there was. Not our circus, not our problem.
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  Yeah, but this is not someone burning their garden furniture because their kid fell from it. They’re deciding to kill a living thing because it got startled once.
  - lazide 3y ago
    They decided to kill (euthanize) an animal with a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans. Humans they had a duty to protect. I’ve been around dogs for 4 decades, I’ve never seen one bite a child’s face. Even ones that really, really would have deserved it. Could it happen? Sure. However, I have seen dogs that were deranged and dangerous to themselves and others bite people before, and owners try to defend them as being okay though. Multiple times. One the police had to put down after its 4th attack on an innocent bystander, while the owner cried and blamed the police.
    - pdonis 3y ago
      > a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans One incident, in which the human was arguably at least partly at fault (and in which the adult humans who run the house are at fault--see below), is not "a history". The article says they have had the dog for six years. And now they want to euthanize him over one incident, in which the kid turned out to be OK? That's not something I would even think of. They should be thinking about how to help the dog coexist with their kid--and asking themselves why they weren't thinking about that before they brought the kid into their household that already had the dog. At the very most, if they are simply incapable of managing both the dog and the kid, they should be looking for another owner to take the dog. Killing the dog should not be on the table at all. (Frankly, I would question the competence of a vet that would agree to euthanize a pet for this, instead of advising the people to find another owner if they can't work it out themselves. Every vet we have had has told us explicitly that they never recommend euthanasia except as an absolute last resort for a pet that is terminally ill and suffering. We would stop taking our dogs to any vet that said otherwise.)
      - lazide 3y ago
        Welcome to reality. Entirely within their rights to do, regardless of how you feel about it. Once is a history, when it’s bad enough. If someone was arrested for beating their spouse, you’d have no issues saying they had a ‘history of domestic violence’, no? And plenty of folks would argue they would be irresponsible and abusive to their kid to not do it. Maybe there would be better ways to handle it, maybe not. Maybe there were things they could have done to prevent it (probably), maybe not. Not our circus, not our problem.
        RhysU 3y ago
        I would not want to be the owner who had a second kid injured from one specific animal. Fool me once, twice, etc. Guilt aside, the civil liability from a second potential attack (for any owner) can be family destroying.
        pdonis 3y ago
        > I would not want to be the owner who had a second kid injured from one specific animal. Fool me once, twice, etc. If they are really worried about their kid, they can find the dog another home. Either a friend or neighbor, or take him to a shelter. Not kill him. As for "fool me", they were the ones who fooled the dog, by having him in their home for six years and gaining his trust, and then proposing to kill him over something that was really their fault. Bringing a kid into a home where a dog already lives is, as I have already pointed out elsewhere in this thread, stressful for a dog no matter what breed. It was their responsibility to manage that situation. They failed. And now they want the dog to pay for their mistake.
        RhysU 3y ago
        > If they are really worried about their kid, they can find the dog another home. Right! They should transfer the liability to someone else! So that new, possibly unaware owner can get their pants sued off if the dog attacks someone in the future with a demonstrable past of injuring people. Clearly, risking the financial well-being of the new owner and a possible future second child's life is the compassionate, responsible choice. /s I love dogs. I own one, and I will rub her belly in 15 minutes when I get home. But if she went apeshit on a kid I would thank the stars for the umbrella policy we carry. Then I would euthanize my dog.