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Got one here, AMA!
by zzzeek 3y ago
Got one here, AMA!
- totallywrong 3y agoHow's the keyboard? Have you maybe used Thinkpads to compare?
- zzzeek 3y agoI have a thinkpad also from work and I've never liked thinkpad keyboards, and I especially never liked the trackpad-buttons-on-top thing (it's a key reason I dont use thinkpads normally). I've been through several thinkpads ( as we have to swap out every few years) and while they get nicer each time, they still carry along that old-school "lets have lots and lots of small keys" thing. Framework's keyboard OTOH is very similar to a macbookpro, keys feel a little higher and more tactile and also the layout is simpler than how my thinkpad has them laid out. truth be told im mostly using an external keyboard so far, havent really gone anywhere w/ the laptop yet.
- totallywrong 3y agoThanks!
- tcbawo 3y agoI don’t have a Thinkpad, but the plastic surface of the keyboard feels like a slight step down from other keyboards I’ve used (like my Logitech MX Keys). It’s not as smooth — the plastic of the key is rough, almost chalkboard-like. I haven’t used it in-depth enough to determine any pet peeves about the layout. But overall, I like it. If anyone ever offers an upgraded key cap set, I might go for it.
- justaguitarist 3y agoWhat's your typical battery life like? The only thing keeping me on my M1 MacBook is only having to charge it ~2x per week.
- zzzeek 3y agowell it's new battery feel so far, just got the machine less than two weeks ago. Haven't done any long battery-related work yet. My previous Dell XPS13 had the battery puff out and it actually wrecked the mainboard in doing so, so I'll be watching out for any negative experiences like that here, that I can open the machine right up in 30 seconds to attend to issues like that should be a plus.
- kelvie 3y agoLuckily there are battery stats. On a 7840U with power-profiles-daemon installed and PCI power saving turned on (but not wifi or audio power saving, or VM writebacks, I don't feel those are worth the power savings), it draws 3W if I'm doing absolutely nothing with the screen on its dimmest setting (I mostly use the laptop in bed at night), and 5-11W while web browsing on Firefox. It goes up to about 13W while watching youtube, even though it claims hardware accelerated video decoding is on.
- starkparker 3y ago6-7 hours of browsing in Firefox, 4-5 hours when doing work involving occasional building/compiling, 3-5 hours of 2D native Linux gaming, 2 hours or less of 3D AAA gaming through Steam/Proton.
- redundantly 3y agoHow does the trackpad compare to a MacBook trackpad?
- zzzeek 3y agovery similar. One would think they're on a macbook when using this laptop. I have it set to use "area" for left/right click and it works better than my older macbookpro where the trackpad had lost some of its responsiveness at some point.
- y7 3y agoBesides the actual hardware, I think the biggest problem is the software implementation of trackpads in Linux (at least in libinput/Wayland). Even running Linux on my Macbook, the trackpad experience is vastly inferior to macOS. I don't care too much about gestures, but mostly about stable palm rejection and proper acceleration curves. The current implementations sadly provide neither.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoOne of my complaints with the older framework is that the trackpad scrolling is REALLY fast and AFAICT there's no way to change tbe speed on stock Fedora
- kelvie 3y agoIMO not close (I spend the majority of the day on my work macbook). It's especially apparent when scrolling or moving the pointer small amounts, and especially near the edges of the trackpad, where you need to make bigger movements for it to work. Your mileage may vary as people have different sized fingers and such. It's a far cry even from my old Google Pixelbook, which is a (distant) second best touchpad I've used.
- gumballindie 3y agoWhich linux distro did you install and have you had any issues?
- starkparker 3y agoFedora 39 is the "official" way to go on the AMD board due to the newer kernel. Installed without problems and all hardware worked on boot. The biggest issues are setting up a workaround for staying in sleep/suspend while the lid's closed but plugged in: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-7040-series-lid-wakeup-behavior-feedback/39128/53 https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-ryzen-... And flipping a VRAM flag to avoid GPU memory allocation issues: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-graphical-corruption-in-fedora-39-amd-3-03-bios/39073 https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-graphical-corruption... Neither of which is Fedora specific, and both of which might be resolved via update.
- zzzeek 3y agoI went straight for fedora 39. The two issues I had were 1. the initial BIOS update hung, and I had to run it again - elsewhere, someone who had this problem had reported that it bricked their machine, however I was able to get through it: https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/17jzj40/bios_update_taking_forever/ https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/17jzj40/bios_upd... Then for 2., there's a kernel param I had to set to avoid a display issue, that's mentioned here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Scatter-Gather-Re-Enabled https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Scatter-Gather-Re-Enabled , I had that exact problem.
- gumballindie 3y agoThank you for sharing your experience and fixes. Sounds straight forward to fix, although a bit disappointing that they don’t put the effort to supply kernel patches to make it work out of the box, particularly for a laptop that claims to be diy friendly. To be fair, i’d rate it 3/5 based on people experience with it.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoDo the brightness keys on the keyboard work? What's the battery drain like when the laptop is asleep?
- kelvie 3y agoYes they work (plasma 5 KDE on arch). On the 55Wh battery with a 7840U, it loses 2-3% per hour when asleep, so I set up suspend-then-hibernate after an hour (though setting that up was a pain in itself).
- nbf_1995 3y agoThey work, but on gnome you might have to disable the `hid_sensor_hub` kernel module.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoI look forward to the day when we can use all of the keys on the keyboard without having to disable the ambient light sensor.
- nbf_1995 3y agoI installed gnome to double check and the issue seems to be fixed. I can use the brightness keys with ambient light sensor enable.
- POiNTx 3y agoDoes the pressure to click on the trackpad feel 'even' across the entire trackpad? For example, does clicking at the top feel the same as the bottom? That's something I never got used to on my ThinkPad, clicking on the top is basically impossible.
- starkparker 3y agoNope. It's a mechanical trackpad with similar pressure issues (super stiff in the top corners, a little softer in the top center, best in the center and bottom). I switched to tap-to-click.
- random_dork1 3y agoIs the fingerprint sensor working? How reliable/fast is it?
- nbf_1995 3y agoThe fingerprint sensor is shared across all framework laptops. It was about as fast and reliable as you can expect a fingerprint reader to be.